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Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder6.news.weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Andy Walker <anw@cuboid.co.uk> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: =?UTF-8?Q?Re=3A_Definition_of_real_number_=E2=84=9D_--infinitesimal?= =?UTF-8?Q?--?= Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2024 13:23:28 +0000 Organization: Not very much Lines: 28 Message-ID: <uu6fcg$a7hl$1@dont-email.me> References: <bebe16f4f02eed7ac4e4d815dc0e1e98f9f0f2a0.camel@gmail.com> <uu3qk7$3jc94$1@dont-email.me> <uu444a$3lnuc$1@dont-email.me> <uu44k2$3lrph$1@dont-email.me> <uu50n4$3ca7i$6@i2pn2.org> <uu573n$3tt5t$7@dont-email.me> <uu58nh$3ca7j$2@i2pn2.org> <uu59t9$3ubje$2@dont-email.me> <8734s9u2tl.fsf@nosuchdomain.example.com> <uu5dqp$2tti$2@dont-email.me> <87y1a1smfj.fsf@nosuchdomain.example.com> <uu5g2u$390n$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2024 13:23:28 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="37871d38fa99229cbe905809e7b98409"; logging-data="335413"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/YLwvkXykcIpCD+Afp0nu1" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:2awa1207MTj8UaFBcMj5ktpHp00= Content-Language: en-GB In-Reply-To: <uu5g2u$390n$1@dont-email.me> Bytes: 2558 On 29/03/2024 04:29, olcott wrote: > x is said to be infinitesimal > if, and only if, |x| < 1/n for all integers n. > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperreal_number That's for the hyperreals; there's a clue in the URL. There are no such "x" in R, by the Archimedean axiom. > 0.999... specifies infinitesimally < 1.0 No it doesn't. It specifies different things in different number systems, which is why mathematicians don't use that notation in contexts where there could be ambiguity. > and math guys have no way to say that so they > simply round up to 1.0 You've just referred to some "math guys" -- the proponents of the hyperreals -- who say exactly what they mean by "infinitesimal". You could equally have referred to the surreals [qv] where similar statements are made and explained by "math guys". Maths has moved on over the past few centuries. You and Wij need to move on with the "math guys". -- Andy Walker, Nottingham. Andy's music pages: www.cuboid.me.uk/andy/Music Composer of the day: www.cuboid.me.uk/andy/Music/Composers/Gottschalk