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From: FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: Dispatches from Clown World: Actual NY Times Headline
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2024 10:12:30 -0400
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On 3/28/24 1:51 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> In article <uu3uu2$3kj1o$3@dont-email.me>, FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> On 3/26/24 2:04 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>> In article <6pv50jlju65cqqudaqels4bmif82852roh@4ax.com>,
>>>    shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Tue, 26 Mar 2024 16:15:44 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"
>>>> <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> suzeeq <suzee@imbris.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On 3/26/2024 4:22 AM, NoBody wrote:
>>>>>>> On Tue, 26 Mar 2024 00:43:03 +0000, BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Wait a minute. Trump's civil fraud verdict was based on the notion he
>>>>>>>> systematically gave an incorrect valuation to his properties in order
>>>>>>>> to deceive lenders (even though all lenders were repaid and none of
>>>>>>>> them ever made complaints against him and all said they'd do business
>>>>>>>> with him again).
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Now, the New York Times admits that reaching a proper valuation for
>>>>>>>> Trump's buildings is a "guessing game".
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://ibb.co/tJkZL5d
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Untangling Trump's Real Estate
>>>>>>>> Donald Trump owes $454 million by Monday or risks losing some
>>>>>>>> properties. But experts say valuing the buildings would be a guessing
>>>>>>>> game.
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well a liberal judge who decided upon guilt before the trial began
>>>>>>> (and stated so at the start) guessed at the value of everything and
>>>>>>> declared that the offense was so terrible that it required a
>>>>>>> ridiculous fine that you have to post in full if you want to appeal
>>>>>>> his stupidity.
>>>>>
>>>>>>> About sums the whole thing up.
>>>>>
>>>>>> It's normal for a bond for the whole fine, plus interest, to be posted
>>>>>> for an appeal. He was already found guilty of fraud last year, the
>>>>>> latest trial was to determine the amount of the fine. They figured it
>>>>>> out by determining the amount of taxes that would have been owed, plus
>>>>>> the amount of interest on loans if the real amount of the property had
>>>>>> been stated in the first place.
>>>>>
>>>>> Do you have the URL of that news article that you just read?
>>>>>
>>>>> I didn't know the fraud case was also about underpayment of state taxes,
>>>>> and I'm not sure how Trump's mis-appraisal resulted in a larger
>>>>> underpayment of taxes. If he overstated the value, then his assessment
>>>>> was too high and he overpaid property taxes.
>>>>
>>>> He overstated the value to the banks and understated (or stated
>>>> correctly) the value to the IRS.
>>>
>>> The IRS is a federal agency. How does the state of New York have
>>> jurisdiction to prosecute a federal tax case?
>>>
>> Where is the Trump Org situated again?
> 
> Doesn't matter.
> 
> If the Trump Org engaged in counterfeiting currency, the NY D.A.
> wouldn't have authority to prosecute that crime just because the company
> is registered in New York. Counterfeiting is a federal crime and the
> state doesn't have jurisdiction over it.
> 

But he didn't.  He screwed the people and New York.
They get to try him because he committed the crimes against them.

Loans weren't granted to New Yorkers because the money he should have 
paid wasn't available to be lent out.

Taxpayers of New York had to make up the shortfall for the taxes he 
didn't pay.

He screwed New York, not the Federal Government.

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