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Path: ...!2.eu.feeder.erje.net!3.eu.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com> Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech Subject: Re: Commuter innovation Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2024 14:50:42 -0400 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 38 Message-ID: <uu72i2$3hru4$3@dont-email.me> References: <uu14g8$2rhqp$1@dont-email.me> <uu1d8i$2tl4a$1@dont-email.me> <uu1oqn$153im$2@dont-email.me> <uu6s8v$dib2$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2024 18:50:42 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="d05b71f48a3c19504f404d2b8b91bc7c"; logging-data="3731396"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/I2HRN5Lv/vuBwDjXpBzSX4mccFXUSJPg=" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:TDuopFDu+sXhNvXsu8Z/tVV3DOQ= In-Reply-To: <uu6s8v$dib2$1@dont-email.me> Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 2603 On 3/29/2024 1:03 PM, sms wrote: > On 3/27/2024 11:33 AM, Zen Cycle wrote: > > <snip> >> I don't know that I've ever heard anyone claim street sweeping is a >> cure for anything. Certainly diligent and frequent use is quite >> helpful, but "cure"? > > <snip> > >> I don't think a street sweeper would have been very effective on >> either of those. > > Street sweeping protected bike lanes requires a narrow sweeper/vacuum, > which are available. > > Frank is philosophically opposed to bike lanes so he will fabricate > whatever narratives are necessary to support his philosophy ─ like our > 45th U.S. president. > > Protected bike lanes with a concrete divider are best because trash in > the traffic lane ends up mostly against the divider rather than ending > up in the bike lane. > I understood us to be talking about unprotected bike lanes, such as in the picture he showed, and that the discussion of street sweeping wasn't qualified by protected lanes or smaller street sweeping vehicles. I personally have had very little experience in protected lanes, but most of the towns around here have widened shoulders marked as bike lanes and marked-off sensor areas for trigger traffic lights (which rarely actually work). It's my experience that these widened shoulders designated as bike lanes are swept with the same frequency as the roads in general as there is no physical barrier. -- Add xx to reply