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From: Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net>
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On 3/29/2024 8:55 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
> On Thu, 28 Mar 2024 14:44:57 -0700, Dimensional Traveler
> <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
> 
>> On 3/28/2024 9:21 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
>>> On Wed, 27 Mar 2024 17:44:51 -0700, Dimensional Traveler
>>> <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 3/27/2024 4:03 PM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
>>>>> Keith F. Lynch <kfl@KeithLynch.net> wrote:
>>>>>> Tim Illingworth <tim@smofs.org> wrote:
>>>>>>> Cryptoengineer wrote:
>>>>>>>> Regardless of nigglined edge cases, the point remains.  Russia has
>>>>>>>> been invaded many times in history, while the US mainland has not.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> December 1814 not count?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think you mean August of that year.  More recently there was an
>>>>>> invasion of Pennsylvania in June and July 1863.
>>>>>
>>>>> 1814 definitely counts, although we really needed a new capitol building
>>>>> anyway.
>>>>>
>>>>> The 1863 invasion is kind of a special case because it depends on whether
>>>>> you define the invaders as US citizens or not.  Since the war was about
>>>>> who was a citizen and who wasn't, and the US won, I think it fair to define
>>>>> them as rebellious citizens.  My Confederate-supporting high school history
>>>>> teacher would not do so, however.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Some might also count January 2021.  Is it an invasion of all
>>>>>> participants were US citizens?  One person there was carrying the
>>>>>> flag of the nation (not US state) of Georgia, though he was probably
>>>>>> just confused.
>>>>>
>>>>> Does not count, for the same reason that 1863 unpleasantness doesn't.
>>>>
>>>> Agreed, insurrection is not invasion.
>>>
>>> I find it amazing how many people are still niggling about this.
>>>
>>> Why is it so hard to believe that Russia, given its situation, has
>>> been invaded more often than the USA? Is there a contest on to see
>>> which country has been invaded most often? Is there a prize at stake?
>>>
>>> As to Jan 6 2021 -- if Trump is/was, in fact, an agent of Putin (as
>>> many of his supporters appear to be, given their eagerness to gift
>>> Putin Ukraine), then it was not an insurrection -- it was treason,
>>> pure and simple.
>>>
>>> The interesting question is whether States can use their newly granted
>>> authority to bar candidates from local office (but not for
>>> President/VP) can bar candidates from Senate and House races? Although
>>> they are part of the Federal gummint, they /do/ represent the State,
>>> after all.
>>
>> With the current SC they will try to rule such that MAGA people cannot
>> be barred but everyone else can be.  :P
> 
> That's not what they ruled so far -- for purely local offices, at
> least.

They're just not high enough ranked MAGA people....  :P

(Sort of like the Purge universe, you have to high enough in the 
government before you are safe.)

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I've done good in this world. Now I'm tired and just want to be a cranky 
dirty old man.