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From: Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com>
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Subject: Re: Commuter innovation
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2024 08:18:47 -0400
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On 3/29/2024 5:49 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:
> Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> On 3/29/2024 2:50 PM, Zen Cycle wrote:
>>> On 3/29/2024 1:03 PM, sms wrote:
>>>> On 3/27/2024 11:33 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
>>>>
>>>> <snip>
>>>>> I don't know that I've ever heard anyone claim street sweeping is a
>>>>> cure for anything. Certainly diligent and frequent use is quite
>>>>> helpful, but "cure"?
>>>>
>>>> <snip>
>>>>
>>>>> I don't think a street sweeper would have been very effective on
>>>>> either of those.
>>>>
>>>> Street sweeping protected bike lanes requires a narrow sweeper/vacuum,
>>>> which are available.
>>>>
>>>> Frank is philosophically opposed to bike lanes so he will fabricate
>>>> whatever narratives are necessary to support his philosophy ─ like our
>>>> 45th U.S. president.
>>>>
>>>> Protected bike lanes with a concrete divider are best because trash in
>>>> the traffic lane ends up mostly against the divider rather than ending
>>>> up in the bike lane.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I understood us to be talking about unprotected bike lanes, such as in
>>> the picture he showed, and that the discussion of street sweeping wasn't
>>> qualified by protected lanes or smaller street sweeping vehicles.
>>>
>>> I personally have had very little experience in protected lanes, but
>>> most of the towns around here have widened shoulders marked as bike
>>> lanes and marked-off sensor areas for trigger traffic lights (which
>>> rarely actually work). It's my experience that these widened shoulders
>>> designated as bike lanes are swept with the same frequency as the roads
>>> in general as there is no physical barrier.
>>
>> I think the relevant questions are these: What is that sweeping
>> frequency? And how much debris accumulates before a sweep cycle?
>>
>> For a cyclist exercising his legal right to use the normal traffic lane,
>> both questions are of low importance.
>>
>>
> 
> In my experience bike lanes are generally cleaner than roads which
> themselves fairly well swept. And certainly some of the segregated ones are
> sufficiently distanced from the road to get any debris spray, and so don’t
> need such a frequent sweeping.
> 
> I strongly suspect this is more an American thing.

Indeed.

> 
> Roger Merriman
> 

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