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From: FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: Mail-In Voting
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2024 06:16:08 -0400
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On 4/1/24 9:57 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> On Apr 1, 2024 at 2:29:04 PM PDT, "FPP" <fredp1571@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> On 4/1/24 3:50 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>   In article <uueg28$2hiti$1@dont-email.me>, FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com>
>>>   wrote:
>>>   
>>>>   On 3/31/24 3:58 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>   In article <uubohs$1qc9d$6@dont-email.me>, FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com>
>>>>>   wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>   On 3/30/24 4:00 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>>>   In article <uu9fbs$13o15$6@dont-email.me>, FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>   wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>   On 3/29/24 5:43 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>   In article <mjbe0jdc0o8dq1qknqr5k0153b0rbkgai4@4ax.com>,
>>>>>>>>>>        shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
>>>   
>>>>>>>>>>>   Funny how when we find actual voter fraud it's often the Republicans
>>>>>>>>>>>   that are involved. Not that it matters enough for anyone to truly
>>>>>>>>>>>   care about since the numbers are in the tens of cases in the last few
>>>>>>>>>>>   decades amounting to just a few votes. No major voter fraud has been
>>>>>>>>>>>   found to have actually occurred in the USA in our lifetimes.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>   You've got to be kidding. The basic reason Joe Biden threw open the
>>>>>>>>>>   southern border and left it that way for three years was nothing but a
>>>>>>>>>>   gigantic voter fraud scheme.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>   The Democrats are currently running a long-term voter fraud scheme the
>>>>>>>>>>   likes and size of which have no rival in human history.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>   Georgia Republican official voted illegally...NINE TIMES.
>>>>>>>>>   This is a fact.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>   Joe Biden is allowing tens of millions of illegals to flood into the
>>>>>>>>   country. This is a fact.
>>>>>
>>>>>>   Biden wants to add border agents...
>>>>>
>>>>>   ...to process illegals into the country more efficiently. Not to, you
>>>>>   know, patrol the border and keep people out.
>>>>>
>>>>>>   beef up security...
>>>>>
>>>>>   ...which he could do in one morning's work by rescinding his EOs. He
>>>>>   doesn't need any Republican help or cooperation. Weird that he won't do
>>>>>   that, huh?
>>>>>
>>>>>>   beef up the legal system to handle it...
>>>>>
>>>>>   ...and by 'handle it', he means more admin staff to help get the
>>>>>   illegals into America faster and more efficiently
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   And Republicans oppose it.  Why?
>>>>>
>>>>>   Because it's a shit bill that not only does nothing to secure the border
>>>>>   but explicitly allows up to 8000 unvetted illegals into the country
>>>>>   every day.
>>>>>
>>>>   Nope. It's a Republican Wish List bill.
>>>   
>>>   It may be a Republican Wish List but it's not anywhere near the wish
>>>   list of anyone who wants actual border security.
>>>   
>>>   Republicans are shit on border security because they love illegal
>>>   immigration every bit as much as Democrats do, just for different
>>>   reasons.
>>>   
>>>   So it's no surprise at all that a bill written by two parties that both
>>>   want the flow of illegals to continue is a shit bill that does nothing
>>>   for border security.
>>>   
>>>>   You fuckers wrote it
>>>   
>>>   I had nothing to do with it.
>>>   
>>>>   yourselves, and it's the strongest immigration bill and border security
>>>>   bill in 50 years.
>>>   
>>>   Which ain't saying much.
>>>>
>>>>   Stop lying about it. We all can read it for ourselves.
>>>   
>>>   Yes, I actually did read it. And it says exactly what I said it does.
>>>   
>>>   (1) It increases funding for Border Patrol so that they can more
>>>   efficiently process illegals into the country, not keep them out.
>>>   
>>>   (2) It allows the free flow of illegals to continue until illegal
>>>   entries exceed 8000 in one week or 5000 in one day, at which point the
>>>   president may close the border. Note: "may", not "must", which means Joe
>>>   Biden can keep doing what he's been doing all along and just let them
>>>   keep coming.
>>>   
>>>   (3) Despite previous language in the bill implying it to be the case,
>>>   the bill doesn't *actually* close the border, even if this fraudulent
>>>   and arbitrary 5000-illegal threshold is reached. Per one of the bill's
>>>   co-authors, Senator Chris Murphy (D): "The bill contains a requirement
>>>   that the president funnel asylum claims to the land ports of entry when
>>>   more than 5000 people cross in a day." So the border never really
>>>   closes, the illegals are just funneled through the ports instead of
>>>   being allowed to swim across the river and walk into America everywhere.
>>>   
>>>>   Fox Fucking News blasted Republicans.
>>>   
>>>   So what?
>>>   
>>>>   Fox. Fucking. News. is calling you a liar, too.
>>>   
>>>   So what? Fox lies. You've gleefully pointed that out on many occasions.
>>>   Now you want to use them as a reliable source when it helps you get a
>>>   win on Usenet.
>>>   
>>>   Don't think I didn't notice how you suddenly stop calling them Faux News
>>>   when you do a 180 and cite them to bolster your position.
>>>   
>>>>>   "I think these are a couple of issues that put Republicans in peril of
>>>>>   looking like literally a do-nothing Congress," Brit Hume told the station
>>>   
>>>   I think Brit fundamentally underestimates how many people in this
>>>   country *want* a do-nothing Congress; how many of us feel Congress is at
>>>   its best when it's in recess and how readily we'd agree to pay them all
>>>   their full salaries to never show up at all.
>>>   
>>>>>   The three main negotiators on the Senate bill-- Republican Sen. James
>>>>>   Lankford of Oklahoma, Independent Sen. Kyrsten Sinema of Arizona and
>>>>>   Democratic Sen. Chris Murphy of Connecticut-- have all pushed back on
>>>>>   criticism of the bill. They emphasize that it would keep more people out
>>>>>   instead of allowing more people to come in-- and that migrants would not be
>>>>>   able to apply for asylum at all if illegal border crossings reach certain
>>>>>   numbers.
>>>   
>>>   Which contradicts the actual text of the bill they supposedly wrote.
>>>   (Which actually was written by their staffers and which they probably
>>>   haven't even actually read cover to cover, despite being its "authors".)
>>>   
>>>>>   Lankford has repeatedly emphasized that the emergency authority "is not
>>>>>   designed to let 5,000 people in, it is designed to close the border and
>>>>>   turn 5,000 people around".
>>>   
>>>   Political double-talk. These people out-and-out lie to your face. Just
>>>   like the DHS Secretary, the White House spokeshole, and the president
>>>   himself have been blatantly lying for the last three years when they've
>>>   repeatedly stated without qualification that "the border is secure".
>>>   
>>>   It's not secure. A 3-year-old can see it's not secure. But the
>>>   Gaslighter-in-Chief thinks if they just say it enough times, we'll stop
>>>   believing our lyin' eyes and take his dementia-addled word for it.
>>>   
>>>   Here's a question: If the border is secure-- as Biden and all his people
>>>   have been insisting it is for three years-- why are they now saying it's
>>>   not secure because Republicans won't pass "the bill"? If they have
>>>   haven't been lying their asses off for three years, there should be no
>>>   need for this bill, right?
>>>   
>>>   The bill clearly states that these 'emergency' provisions don't kick in
>>>   until there have been 5000 crossings in a 24-hour period. That means
>>>   5000 illegals have already gotten in before the provision is triggered.
>>>   
>>>   And neither Fox nor any of these politicians bother to address how this
>>>   bill would actually *lessen* the already-minimal standards for allowing
>>>   illegals into the country. Right now, people applying for asylum need to
>>>   show "a significant possibility that they can establish a credible fear
>>>   of persecution on the basis of race, national origin, political beliefs,
>>>   etc." Not a high standard. It doesn't require them to provide any actual
>>>   evidence of their claims. Just say the magic words and make a claim,
>>>   which they've been coached to say and which they've rehearsed, and then
>>>   get into the country. But this border bill would lower that standard
>>>   even further, if that's possible, from a "significant" possibility of
>>>   persecution to merely a "reasonable" possibility of persecution. And
>>>   reasonable is just another way of saying 'plausible'. In other words,
>>>   it's a bar that anyone from anywhere can clear. There's no way that
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