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Subject: Re: DOJ is correct that Apple iPhone is far less secure than Android
 when RCS messaging is involved
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2024 09:01:26 -0700
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On 2024-04-01 07:57, badgolferman wrote:
> Your Name wrote:
> 
>> On 2024-04-01 00:55:13 +0000, Tamborino said:
>>>
>>> This is the common misunderstanding with both RCS in general and
>>> Apple's update in particular. RCS is not end-to-end encrypted.
>>>
>>> Yet, for conversations between Google Messages users, end-to-end
>>> encryption is now enabled on your Android phone by default.
>>> https://www.forbes.com/sites/zakdoffman/2024/03/30/new-apple-iphone-
>>> 16-pro-max-and-ios-18-leak-googles-imessage-warning/    So unlike
>>> iMessaging between iPhone users or Google Messaging between Android
>>> users, or more importantly WhatsApping between iPhone and Android
>>> users, RCS between iPhone and Android will not have that level of
>>> security.
>>>
>>> This is critical because it's the issue the DOJ highlighted in its
>>> lawsuit:  "Apple is willing to make the iPhone less secure and less
>>> private... Text messages sent from iPhones to Android phones are
>>> unencrypted as a result of Apple's conduct. If Apple wanted to,
>>> Apple could allow iPhone users to send encrypted messages to
>>> Android users while still using iMessage on their iPhone, which
>>> would instantly improve the privacy and security of iPhone and
>>> other smartphone users."
>>
>> Yet more proof that the US DOJ has no clue what they're talking
>> about.  :-\
>>
>> A. Apple doesn't even use RCS ... yet! It is rumoured to be coming in
>>   later this year ("in the fall" if you believe a Google post)
>>
>> B. Apple messages are end-to-end encrypted, at least between Apple
>>   devices using Apple's messaging app (for other apps it is up to
>>   their developers, not Apple):
>>
>>   "Your iMessage and FaceTime conversations are encrypted end-to-end,
>>    so they can't be read while they're sent between devices."
> 
> This is the relevant part of the article.  There will not be encryption
> between Android and iOS users.  The DOJ says Apple can make it happen
> but are unwilling to.  If this is true then it looks like Apple is
> being the petulant child stamping their feet and saying "no, no, no..."

So you can predict the future, can you?

> 
> 
> "So unlike iMessaging between iPhone users or Google Messaging between
> Android users, or more importantly WhatsApping between iPhone and
> Android users, RCS between iPhone and Android will not have that level
> of security."
> 
> "If Apple wanted to, Apple could allow iPhone users to send encrypted
> messages to Android users while still using iMessage on their iPhone..."