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Path: ...!news.misty.com!weretis.net!feeder6.news.weretis.net!i2pn.org!i2pn2.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> Newsgroups: comp.theory,sci.logic Subject: Re: Can there be a truth without a truthmaker? Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2024 22:10:26 -0400 Organization: i2pn2 (i2pn.org) Message-ID: <uuidqi$3spcu$1@i2pn2.org> References: <uuhd1a$3amnv$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2024 02:10:26 -0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: i2pn2.org; logging-data="4089246"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@i2pn2.org"; posting-account="diqKR1lalukngNWEqoq9/uFtbkm5U+w3w6FQ0yesrXg"; User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird In-Reply-To: <uuhd1a$3amnv$1@dont-email.me> X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.0 Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 1939 Lines: 28 On 4/2/24 12:50 PM, olcott wrote: > There is a great debate about whether an expression of language > can be true without a truth maker. Not in Standard Formal Logic. In Standard Formal Logic, a statments truth arises solely from have a connection (possible infinite in length) via valid arguements to the truthmakes of the system. > > Truthmaker Maximalism defended GONZALO RODRIGUEZ-PEREYRA > https://philarchive.org/archive/RODTMD WHich isn't about Formal Systems, but just more generic philosophy. > > A truth without a truthmaker is like a cake without a baker, > non-existent. > > True and unprovable is self-contradictory once one understands > how true really works the way that I and Wittgenstein do. > https://www.liarparadox.org/Wittgenstein.pdf > Nope, because True allows for an INFINITE change of reasoning, while PROOF requires a finite chain to allow it to come into the domain of Knowledge, since we can not view an infinite chain of reason since we are finite beings.