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Subject: Re: InstaCart Delivery Guy Shoots and Kills One of Angie Harmon's
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Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2024 09:37:51 -0400
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On 4/4/24 10:53 PM, moviePig wrote:
> On 4/4/2024 8:06 PM, FPP wrote:
>> On 4/4/24 11:31 AM, moviePig wrote:
>>> On 4/4/2024 6:51 AM, FPP wrote:
>>>> On 4/3/24 2:22 PM, moviePig wrote:
>>>>> On 4/3/2024 5:59 AM, FPP wrote:
>>>>>> On 4/3/24 4:38 AM, shawn wrote:
>>>>>>> On Tue, 2 Apr 2024 23:45:56 -0700, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-13261563/Angie-Harmon-reveals-Instacart-driver-shot-KILLED-dogs.html 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The actress Angie Harmon shared the devastating news that one 
>>>>>>>>> of her family's
>>>>>>>> dogs was shot and killed by an InstaCart delivery person over 
>>>>>>>> the Easter
>>>>>>>> weekend. The 51-year-old former LAW & ORDER star revealed on 
>>>>>>>> Instagram on
>>>>>>>> Monday that her dog Oliver had been killed by the delivery 
>>>>>>>> person after he
>>>>>>>> dropped off groceries to their home in Charlotte, North Carolina.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "This Easter weekend a man delivering groceries for InstaCart 
>>>>>>>>> shot & killed
>>>>>>>> our precious Oliver," she wrote, alongside several sweet photos 
>>>>>>>> of the
>>>>>>>> deceased pet. "He got out of his car, delivered the food & THEN 
>>>>>>>> shot our
>>>>>>>> dog.
>>>>>>>> Our Ring camera was charging in the house, which he saw & then 
>>>>>>>> knew he
>>>>>>>> wasn’t
>>>>>>>> being recorded. The police let him go because he claimed 
>>>>>>>> self-defense. He
>>>>>>>> did
>>>>>>>> not have a scratch or bite on him nor were his pants torn. He 
>>>>>>>> was shopping
>>>>>>>> under a woman's identity named Merle. He shot our dog with my 
>>>>>>>> daughters and
>>>>>>>> myself at home and just kept saying, "Yeah, I shot your dog. 
>>>>>>>> Yeah, I did."
>>>>>>>> We
>>>>>>>> are completely traumatized and beyond devastated at the loss of 
>>>>>>>> our beloved
>>>>>>>> boy and family member."
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> InstaCart responded to Harmon's claims with a statement to 
>>>>>>>>> DailyMail.com:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "We were deeply saddened and disturbed to hear about this 
>>>>>>>>> incident. We have no
>>>>>>>> tolerance for violence of any kind and the shopper account was 
>>>>>>>> immediately
>>>>>>>> suspended from our platform," it said. "We have been in direct 
>>>>>>>> contact with
>>>>>>>> the customer and are cooperating with law enforcement on their
>>>>>>>> investigation."
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In an update from the Charlotte-Mecklenburg Police Department 
>>>>>>>>> to TMZ, law
>>>>>>>> enforcement officials confirmed that the InstaCart driver 
>>>>>>>> claimed he shot
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> dog in self-defense.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "The investigation revealed that a delivery driver arrived at 
>>>>>>>>> the residence to
>>>>>>>> deliver consumable goods. The driver told officers that a dog 
>>>>>>>> attacked him
>>>>>>>> while he was at the residence and that he defended himself by 
>>>>>>>> firing a
>>>>>>>> single
>>>>>>>> gunshot, striking and mortally wounding the dog. Another dog was 
>>>>>>>> present at
>>>>>>>> the residence but did not attack."
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> They added that the department's Animal Control division was 
>>>>>>>>> also involved in
>>>>>>>> the response to the shooting but the department confirmed that 
>>>>>>>> no charges
>>>>>>>> had
>>>>>>>> been filed against the driver at this time.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The police department added that it was not seeking out any 
>>>>>>>>> other individuals
>>>>>>>> in response to the shooting.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I’ve looked at the postings online and have some questions.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ring doorbells are rechargeable? You can just stick them up to 
>>>>>>>> the front of
>>>>>>>> the house and move them in and out? How come they don’t get 
>>>>>>>> stolen all the
>>>>>>>> time?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yeah, that has to be the case because most of them (all that I see
>>>>>>> around here) are just stuck to the door so there's no power
>>>>>>> connection. I haven't checked but assumed that the ring is locked to
>>>>>>> the case until you use the app to unlock the ring device.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The groceries delivered Were a very small package left at the 
>>>>>>>> front door. I
>>>>>>>> thought from the story presented he/she/it must’ve come inside 
>>>>>>>> to see that
>>>>>>>> her ring doorbell was recharging. So I’m not sure how he/she/it 
>>>>>>>> knew.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I assume the actual device was missing (since it was inside
>>>>>>> recharging) so the easier way to put it is that the driver saw that
>>>>>>> there was no camera. He may not even have known they had a Ring 
>>>>>>> device
>>>>>>> unless he delivered items there before.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ring is currently heavily advertising that every big moment in 
>>>>>>>> your life
>>>>>>>> happens on your front porch and is captured by your ring 
>>>>>>>> doorbell video
>>>>>>>> which is just galactically stupid but will they continue this 
>>>>>>>> campaign?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I wonder what Instacart and the local police policy is on 
>>>>>>>> Instacart,
>>>>>>>> drivers carrying weapons, potentially concealed?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My guess is just the what ever the local laws are.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> They won’t do anything to he/she/it. PETA goes to peoples homes 
>>>>>>>> and steals
>>>>>>>> their animals and kills them because they don’t think animals 
>>>>>>>> should be
>>>>>>>> pets and it’s just a small fine.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yeah, without a video of what the guy did I don't expect anything to
>>>>>>> happen to him.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You're kidding, right?  Without him having proof of self defense, 
>>>>>> he's going to get his ass sued off.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As far as criminal charges go, that'll depend on what, if 
>>>>>> anything, he's charged with - as well as his past record, if he 
>>>>>> has one.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't want to believe there are people who'd shoot a dog with 
>>>>> zero provocation, and I'm guessing a jury might not want to either.
>>>>
>>>> Wow, pig.  So you've never been on a jury before, have you?
>>>
>>> No, I fail the voir dire.  But in this instance it's the word of the 
>>> victim and only witness against the owners' speculative "certainty".
>>>
>>>
>>
>> The guy doing the shooting is the one who needs to show his reason for 
>> shooting in the first place.
>>
>> You don't want to believe that people treat animals badly?  Do you 
>> live under a rock?
> 
> I couldn't convict the guy based simply on my angry suspicions.
> 
> 

What provocation justifies killing an animal?  Because unless there was 
some kind of justification, he shot a dog in the dog's own home.
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