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Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> Newsgroups: comp.theory,sci.logic Subject: Re: Can there be a truth without a truthmaker? Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2024 08:52:43 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 31 Message-ID: <uurk3b$23uhj$1@dont-email.me> References: <uuhd1a$3amnv$1@dont-email.me> <uuld7u$f73d$1@dont-email.me> <uulf2n$ficn$1@dont-email.me> <uulf9o$fl5c$1@dont-email.me> <uulgkf$ftqj$1@dont-email.me> <uune3t$ugsb$6@dont-email.me> <uunepo$usff$1@dont-email.me> <uuq8cp$1n20j$1@dont-email.me> <uuqk07$1t1rv$1@dont-email.me> <uuqn80$1tlro$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Sat, 06 Apr 2024 13:52:43 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="328a2911298a6f63883b9748aafd5cbb"; logging-data="2226739"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18NeLGXQ00ejhnZGI9RF2Ns" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:+PTMZjcty3gNfEjkJchzm2NJC+I= Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <uuqn80$1tlro$1@dont-email.me> Bytes: 2548 On 4/6/2024 12:40 AM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: > On Fri, 5 Apr 2024 23:44:55 -0500, olcott wrote: > >> On 4/5/2024 8:26 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: >>> On Thu, 4 Apr 2024 18:57:44 -0500, olcott wrote: >>> >>>> There are only two kinds of truth: >>>> (a) Analytic truth where expressions of language are true on the basis >>>> of their meaning. Example: "All dogs are animals." >>>> >>>> (b) Empirical truth, expressions of language that rely on sense data >>>> from the sense organs. Example: "There is a dog in my living room >>>> right now." >>> >>> Which kind of truth is that statement? >> >> Everything that can be encoded using language is analytic. > > You said “There are only two kinds of truth”. If that is true, then which > kind of “truth” is it? The actual taste of strawberries and the actual smell of coffee cannot be encoded in language. Declarative sentences in English are how analytic truth is represented in English. Some declarative sentences may be false. For English sentences the meaning of their words determines their truth or falsity. -- Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer