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Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: Can there be a truth without a truthmaker? Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2024 08:57:43 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 32 Message-ID: <uurkcn$23uhj$2@dont-email.me> References: <uuhd1a$3amnv$1@dont-email.me> <uuld7u$f73d$1@dont-email.me> <uulf2n$ficn$1@dont-email.me> <uulf9o$fl5c$1@dont-email.me> <uulgkf$ftqj$1@dont-email.me> <uune3t$ugsb$6@dont-email.me> <uunepo$usff$1@dont-email.me> <uuq8cp$1n20j$1@dont-email.me> <uuqtue$1v45r$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Sat, 06 Apr 2024 13:57:44 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="328a2911298a6f63883b9748aafd5cbb"; logging-data="2226739"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18e+pWRhdQlIjSOEt2tjju4" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:4RwnrS16hyuVdI+AAcWc8ipnoBE= Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <uuqtue$1v45r$1@dont-email.me> Bytes: 2434 On 4/6/2024 2:34 AM, Mikko wrote: > On 2024-04-06 01:26:49 +0000, Lawrence D'Oliveiro said: > >> On Thu, 4 Apr 2024 18:57:44 -0500, olcott wrote: >> >>> There are only two kinds of truth: >>> (a) Analytic truth where expressions of language are true on the basis >>> of their meaning. Example: "All dogs are animals." >>> >>> (b) Empirical truth, expressions of language that rely on sense data >>> from the sense organs. Example: "There is a dog in my living room right >>> now." >> >> Which kind of truth is that statement? > > It is an analytic truth as it is true by the meaning of the words. > In particular, Olcott doesn't use the word "truth" for any other > kind, although someone else might say, e.g., that a moral truth is > a truth, too. > A moral "truth" is often no more than an opinion. It seems to me that morality can only be correctly addressed through consequentialism. Bereft of a harmful effect there can be no wrong. https://ethicsunwrapped.utexas.edu/glossary/consequentialism -- Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer