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From: "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com>
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Subject: Re: Christians getting it wrong (was: "Speak Out Loudly Against This Evil": Internet Erupts Over Biden Declaring Easter "Trans Day Of Visibility")
Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2024 16:17:16 -0000 (UTC)
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The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> wrote:
>Fri, 5 Apr 2024 18:54:14 -0000 (UTC), Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com>:
>>The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> wrote:
>>>On Wed, 3 Apr 2024 06:39:06 -0400, FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com> wrote:

>>>>Sure.  And Trump sells bibles because he's so religious.

>>>Not being American I am continually mystified how American
>>>evangelicals feel about Trump given his marital history which isn't
>>>exactly what they promote. I confess I was disappointed by how quickly
>>>Nikki Haley was swept aside since the GOP have to get past Trump to
>>>move back to center-right where they really do need to be.

>>Why? Many Christians want religious doctrine imposed in law and feel
>>like moviePig about the First Amendment. They want religion established
>>in their favor and would not allow the free exercise of other religions.
>>Trump made that political deal with McConnell to get federal judges
>>appointed who would use religious interpretation of statute and the
>>constitution.

>>They don't give a shit about Trump's personal morality. He's a means to
>>an end.

>>This is why I object to people like Mike Pence and Nikki Haley who
>>reject neutrality of civil law with respect to religion. It's a very
>>serious problem when it comes to certain forms of worship in which
>>imposing religion upon others is an important part of their religious
>>belief. Yeah, well, they get to freely exercise religion within their
>>own homes and congregations but they MUST NOT prevent anyone else from
>>freely exercising his own religion.

>>What has caused more war and a greater loss of life than forced
>>religious conversion? Nothing is more evil.

>I only want to be free to pursue my own - I don't want the state
>dictating that anybody else do anything they themselves don't want to
>do. Nor the state dictating what I do in the matter of faith.

>I'm pretty sure that was the view of both the Founding Fathers and
>succeeding legislators to this day.

You're missing my point. The people who want to impose religion upon
civil life want to do so through legislation and the courts, and they
have failed at times, succeeded at other times.

Under such circumstances, in order for the state to remain neutral on
religion, it must prevent such people from imposing religious doctrine
upon others. Those who are so restrict are not freely exercising
religion given that they do not believe that other people are free to
have their own creed.

"We've always led attendees in prayer during ceremonies of the public
high school. Why cannot we continue to offer a prayer at the upcoming
graduation?"

It's unconstitutional to do so even though those who want public prayer
are restricted from freely exercising their own religion.