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Subject: Re: InstaCart Delivery Guy Shoots and Kills One of Angie Harmon's
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Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2024 11:09:37 -0400
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On 4/11/24 5:35 PM, trotsky wrote:
> On 4/9/24 8:19 AM, FPP wrote:
>> On 4/5/24 4:23 PM, moviePig wrote:
>>> On 4/5/2024 2:05 PM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
>>>> Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
>>>>> On 4/4/2024 10:29 PM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
>>>>>> shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>>> . . .
>>>>
>>>>>>> The sad thing is you can't always tell what the dog is going to do.
>>>>
>>>>>> You pay attention to the dog's ears, his head position, and his tail.
>>>>>> They make it quite clear. Also, dogs pay attention TO YOU, so show
>>>>>> leadership by standing tall with a proper stride. Don't approach 
>>>>>> the dog
>>>>>> in a way he might feel threatened, like with your from above 
>>>>>> trying to
>>>>>> pet the top of his head. If he's willing to be petted, he'll let 
>>>>>> you but
>>>>>> do it from below eye level on his chest.
>>>>
>>>>>> Some dogs, like herding dogs, might be aggressive with their mouths,
>>>>>> like grabbing wrists or ankles, but that's trying to dominate and not
>>>>>> trying to kill. A dog that attacks the neck or face is quite 
>>>>>> dangerous.
>>>>
>>>>>>> I run into dogs being walked by their owners all the time and 
>>>>>>> most dogs
>>>>>>> are just happy to see anyone but I've run into a few who seemed like
>>>>>>> they wanted some attention as they came over to me as I was 
>>>>>>> walking by
>>>>>>> but clearly didn't actually want to be touched. That's taught me to
>>>>>>> always be cautious when going to pet a dog even though the owner is
>>>>>>> right there so I'll keep my fingers closed in my hand just in 
>>>>>>> case the
>>>>>>> dog wants to take a nip.
>>>>
>>>>>> Right. NEVER offer dog a finger.
>>>>
>>>>> Generally you want to put your hand out, back of the hand towards the
>>>>> dog so it can smell you and let it come to you if it wants to be
>>>>> friendly.  Don't make a fist, dogs are smart enough to recognize 
>>>>> that as
>>>>> being aggressive.
>>>>
>>>> Yes.
>>>>
>>>> Barbara Woodhouse was against letting the dog sniff the back of the 
>>>> hand
>>>> approaching from the front, as that's not enough for the dog not to
>>>> perceive a threat. She recommended approaching from the side as the dog
>>>> can get a better look at you. As their eyes are on either side of their
>>>> snouts, they never look straight ahead with both eyes, something people
>>>> fail to understand.
>>>>
>>>>>>> . . .
>>>
>>> If they don't look straight ahead with both eyes, then they don't see 
>>> parallax 3D ...which I'm not prepared to accept, particularly since 
>>> my dog watches me intently with both eyes, face-on.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> You always let the dog come to the stranger, never the other way 
>> around.   You always let the dog do the sniffing, you don't offer your 
>> hand.
>>
>> That's a great way to get bit.  The dog has to be comfortable first 
>> before you approach it.
> 
> 
> Couldn't disagree more.  You don't get bit because you offer your hand, 
> you get bit because the dog senses fear.  100%
> 

When we got a pitbull, we got a trainer.
(An ex-Marine dog trainer, in fact.)
We've consulted the American Kennel Club.  They all say this.

> Let the Dog Approach You
>Rather than sticking your hand in the dog’s face or reaching out for pets, wait for the dog to come to you. If the dog approaches you, they are saying they want to meet you. If they hang back, respect they simply aren’t in the mood, despite what their owner said. Not all owners accurately read their dog’s emotional state and some mistakenly believe their anxious dog will get over their fear if enough people say hello. Let the dog have the final word.

> To make yourself appear as friendly as possible, turn your body slightly to the side and look at the dog with your peripheral vision. In dog language, head-on approaches and direct eye contact are threatening, so avoid them if possible. You can also kneel down to the dog’s level so you aren’t looming overhead. However, if you are in any way uncertain about the dog, stay standing. After all, kneeling will put your face at bite level.
> 
> Dogs don’t shake hands like people do, they use their nose to say hello. So, hold your hand in a fist so they can approach and sniff if they choose. Don’t thrust your hand at the dog. They can smell you just fine from a distance, and the sudden movement could startle them.

Avoid eye contact.  Don't approach the dog. The dog doesn't understand 
your motives.

> Once the dog approaches, it’s finally time to greet them. But, be sure to do so in dog-appropriate ways. Restrict your pats to the dog’s side, neck, back, or chest. Avoid reaching over the dog’s head as that is frightening. And don’t hug or restrain the dog in any way. Most dogs dislike pats on the head and hugs. They might tolerate them from their family members, but strangers are a different story.
> 
> Go slowly at first and keep your movements calm and steady. You don’t want to startle them. Read their body language to see whether they’ve had enough after a few moments or if they’re interested in further interaction. Hopefully, it will be clear if you’ve made a new friend.

> All kids should know the “Be a Tree” technique for whenever they encounter a dog on the loose. Be a Tree refers to standing still, with your arms tucked into your sides and your hands folded in front of you, while you look down. This is the safest posture for kids around a loose dog because they aren’t doing anything to threaten or spook the dog like making eye contact or triggering the dog’s chase response with movement

https://www.akc.org/expert-advice/advice/how-to-safely-greet-a-strange-dog/

Yeah, I know... all dogs are different.  But they're all dangerous too.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/0es3xolxka455iw/BetterThingsToDo.jpg?dl=0

Again, this is not the look of a dog that wants to have your hand stuck 
in her face...

-- 
"Thou shalt not make a machine in the likeness of a man’s mind." - OC 
Bible  25B.G.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/ek8kap93bmk0q5w/D%20U%20N%20E%20Part%20II.jpg?dl=0