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Subject: Re: Destructive Lock Nuts Suck
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2024 17:10:46 -0500
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On 4/12/2024 5:01 PM, Joe Gwinn wrote:
> On Fri, 12 Apr 2024 13:36:58 -0700, Bob La Londe <none@none.com99>
> wrote:
> 
>> On 4/12/2024 1:26 PM, David Billington wrote:
>>> On 12/04/2024 21:14, Bob La Londe wrote:
>>>> I recently had to install new axles on a trailer in order to get
>>>> working brakes on the trailer... Don't lecture me about how you could
>>>> have done this or that and not replaced them. They were oddballs and I
>>>> wasted a couple weeks looking for other solutions.
>>>>
>>>> The u-bolts that came with the new axles came with the destructive
>>>> style lock nuts. I don't mind to much. I hoped to never have to deal
>>>> with this again on this trailer anyway. On my second run to go pick up
>>>> a truck and haul it halfway across the state over some mountains and
>>>> some modestly substantial grades and weave through the Salt River
>>>> Canyon two nuts came off.
>>>>
>>>> When the nuts came off I don't know, but when I went over a bump the
>>>> axle popped off the springs and the tire slammed into the tire behind.
>>>> I had just hit 65 mph and it suddenly felt wrong. I was running empty
>>>> and all of a sudden it felt like I was running with a load. I glanced
>>>> at the mirror and smoke was pouring off those tires so bad I thought a
>>>> hub was on fire. Fortunately, there was on old stock yard just ahead
>>>> with a lot of flat ground out front where I was able to safely pull
>>>> out somewhere west of Coolidge. The axle coming loose turned out to be
>>>> an easy fix. Since I was still running empty I just jacked the side of
>>>> the trailer up, rolled the axle back in place, and ratchet strapped it
>>>> tight. Then I whipped out my cell phone and entered NEAREST HARDWARE
>>>> STORE into the search window.
>>>>
>>>> The U-bolt that had fallen off was just barely hanging onto the axle
>>>> still by the extra friction of the threads. The other U-bolt was still
>>>> attached to the cross plate by the nuts. At least I wasn't wondering
>>>> where in small town Arizona I was going to find U-bolts.
>>>>
>>>> There was a Tractor Supply store in Coolidge that had TWO (2) (just
>>>> two) 9/16 fine nuts. They were in the wrong bin, but I found them.
>>>> With that, a couple fresh lock washers, and copious amounts of red
>>>> high strength Permatex thread locker I crawled under the trailer in
>>>> the parking lot to fix it.
>>>>
>>>> Coming back I stopped and checked the trailer and my load at every
>>>> brake check lane and pullout. With a 3/4 ton Dodge w/ Cummins on the
>>>> back I made it back through the mountains and across the Salt River
>>>> Canyon almost with out incident. Somewhere on a long flat Southwest of
>>>> Globe/Miami I glanced in the mirror to see one of the hooks for a
>>>> front strap laying on the trailer deck. The strap broke where it went
>>>> over the frame.  Fortunately I had left the winch cable tight or I
>>>> might have lost the truck.
>>>>
>>>> I'm too old for this sort of adventure. I prepared for everything I
>>>> could think of. Brought tools, and materials for emergencies, and did
>>>> everything I could think of to prevent problems before setting out.
>>>>
>>>> Yes, the nuts were torqued down properly both times. LOL.
>>>>
>>>> Yeah, I know... there are plenty among you who can tell me everything
>>>> they think I did wrong, but at the end I made it home. Now I have to
>>>> get that truck back off the trailer.
>>>>
>>> Good to hear no serious damage or injury. What do you mean by a
>>> destructive locknut, It's not something I've heard of before. I wonder
>>> if it was poor quality hardware. I was reading recently about a guy that
>>> was rebuilding the diff and final drive in his car and decided to use
>>> new bolts for the CW fixing but they failed when tightened before he
>>> reach the correct torque, apparently made in Asia, he re-used the
>>> original ones in the end and no problems.
>>>
>>
>> I know you guys have to know what I am talking about.  There is a type
>> of lock nut that is dimpled or punched that partially mangles the
>> threads when installed to lock it in place.  These have square punch
>> marks on the flat.
> 
> You probably want a bronze or stainless steel Drake two-piece Lock
> Nut:
> 
> .<https://www.lok-mor.com/products/free-spinning/drake/>
> 
> Joe Gwinn
> 

Looks a lot like a 40 dollar solution for a 2 dollar problem , Joe ...
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