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On 2024-04-13 22:23, Anonymous wrote:
> Chris wrote:
>> Anonymous <anon@anon.net> wrote:
>>> Chris wrote:
>>>> Anonymous <anon@anon.net> wrote:
>>>>> Chris wrote:
>>>>>> Anonymous <anon@anon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> Chris wrote:
>>>>>>>> Anonymous <anon@anon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Java Jive wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 04/04/2024 01:58, Hank Rogers wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> So is trump. They are much alike and have never done anything 
>>>>>>>>>>> wrong. Ever.
>>>>>>>>>>> Neither has ever committed a crime or screwed a customer or 
>>>>>>>>>>> business partner.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> That is provably untrue, in that Trump has already lost two 
>>>>>>>>>> civil cases,
>>>>>>>>>> wherein one of which a jury found him to be a rapist  -  in 
>>>>>>>>>> most civilised
>>>>>>>>>> people's view, that is both committing a crime and screwing 
>>>>>>>>>> someone.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Losing a civil case is not the same as a criminal conviction.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The claim was the he "never done anything wrong". Losing a civil 
>>>>>>>> case is a
>>>>>>>> clear case of doing something wrong.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No it's not. Anyone can sue anyone for anything.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And? If the court finds against you you've legally done something 
>>>>>> wrong.
>>>>>
>>>>> Not morally.
>>>>
>>>> Are you saying that Trump has never done anything morally wrong? You've
>>>> completely lost any sense of reality.
>>>>
>>>> At the very least he cheated on two of his wives. He sexually 
>>>> assaulted one
>>>> woman (probably more) and he defrauded several banks and the IRS.
>>>
>>> If he legitimately "knife to the throat" raped women,
>>
>> What the fuck does that mean?
>>
>>> then why wasn't
>>> he criminally prosecuted?
>>
>> Like you said yourself the US system doesn't provide justice, especially
>> against rich, powerful men. Sexual assault hasn't been treated well by 
>> the
>> CJS for a long time.
> 
> Well, you probably think Jacqueline Coakley was telling the truth. LOL!
> 
> Forget accusations, most rape _convictions_ are false.
> 
>>> If he defrauded the IRS, was he criminally
>>> charged?
>>
>> Not yet. Here's hoping...
>>
>>>>> The legal system very rarely has anything to do with
>>>>> actual justice.
>>>>
>>>> In the US, I agree. You've got the system you all wanted.
>>>>
>>>>>> Also the state DA isn't just anyone and fraud or defamation aren't 
>>>>>> just
>>>>>> anything.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you or I defrauded a bank or insurance company we'd rightly be
>>>>>> prosecuted.
>>>>>
>>>>> Prosecuted under criminal statutes, not sued under civil.
>>>>
>>>> Why? Civil law is just as important.
>>>
>>> Standards of proof in the civil system is not as rigorous as that
>>> in the criminal system.
>>
>> Still evidence of wrongdoing.
>>
>>>>>> Why should it be any different for Trump?
>>>>>
>>>>> Nobody is saying it should be.
>>>>
>>>> That's not true. You're saying he's done nothing wrong and shouldn't 
>>>> face
>>>> trial. The courts should decide.
>>>>
>>>>>>>> Everyone is NYC has known for decades what kind of crook he is. 
>>>>>>>> If it
>>>>>>>> wasn't for the hundreds of millions of dollars he got from Fred 
>>>>>>>> he'd just
>>>>>>>> be pretty street criminal.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Further, he faces 91 further criminal charges in 4 separate 
>>>>>>>>>> cases,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> All politically-motivated persecutions.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Lol. I love how the right are strong on law and order until one 
>>>>>>>> of their
>>>>>>>> own is found wanting in that dept. Then it's "persecution". 
>>>>>>>> Hypocrites the
>>>>>>>> lot of them.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> How people for that, I don't know.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I want order. After that, we can have law. Instead, we have 
>>>>>>> politically-
>>>>>>> motivated persecutions for made-up crimes,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Federal law and election law are made up now, are they? The right 
>>>>>> were
>>>>>> desperate for Biden to be arrested for exactly the same as Trump. 
>>>>>> Again,
>>>>>> it's one rule for you and different rules for others. That's not 
>>>>>> how fair
>>>>>> society works.
>>>>>
>>>>> There are countless laws that literally invent crimes and proscribe
>>>>> punishments when there is no concrete harm being done to anyone or
>>>>> anything.
>>>>
>>>> Countless, really? Examples.
>>
>> Notable you didn't answer this.
> 
> All laws that punish mere possession of firearms by peaceable men, for one,
> if you really want to get into that debate.
> 
> Also, Bragg hasn't told us what underlying felony Trump allegedly 
> committed.

Sure he has.

It is literally in the indictments.

<https://www.scribd.com/document/636099588/Donald-J-Trump-Indictment>

I'll give you one example:

'THE GRAND JURY OF THE COUNTY OF NEW YORK, by this indictment, accuses 
the defendant of the crime of FALSIFYING BUSINESS RECORDS IN THE FIRST 
DEGREE , in violation of Penal Law §175.10, committed as follows: The 
defendant, in the County of New York and elsewhere, on or about February 
14, 2017, with intent to defraud and intent to commit another crime and 
aid and conceal the commission thereof, made and caused a false entry in 
the business records of an enterprise, to wit, an invoice from Michael 
Cohen dated February 14, 2017, marked as a record of the Donald J. Trump 
Revocable Trust, and kept and maintained by the Trump Organization.'

That's a FELONY, doofus.

There are 33 more listed there.