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The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 4/14/24 11:13 AM, Alan wrote:
>> On 2024-04-14 11:07, The Real Bev wrote:
>>> On 4/14/24 10:43 AM, Alan wrote:
>>>> On 2024-04-14 10:38, The Real Bev wrote:
>>>>> On 4/14/24 2:34 AM, Chris wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Why do "peaceable men" need to have a gun? In modern society there's no
>>>>>> need for anyone to be carrying guns. It's just boys pretending to be 
>>>>>> men.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> When everyone is carrying a gun you can't differentiate between the 
>>>>>> good
>>>>>> and bad guys. When you ban guns the bad guys are easy to spot.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Then what?  Call a cop and maybe one will show up in half an hour?
>>>>> 
>>>>>> But "muh freedom" is more important. Idiots the lot of them.
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> You know, Canada is pretty much identical to the US from a
>>>> cultural/socio-economic standpoint and yet there is this one weird thing:
>>>> 
>>>> We have far FAR fewer people getting killed by firearms; more then 5
>>>> times fewer.
>>> 
>>> Canadians are just nicer than USians.  OTOH, "they're not even a real 
>>> country anyway!"
>> 
>> That's your best is it?
> 
> Not worth the full effort.
> 
> We have lots of guns and lots of criminals.  More than we have cops. 

No different than most western countries. 

> Aside from wishing, and in the full knowledge that this situation will 
> continue for the indefinite future, what do you think the average 
> law-abiding citizen should do in case of attack by a criminal?

Just like in any other country. Call the professionals. Remember the vast
majority of criminals have no interest in seriously harming you. It takes
effort, it's risky and increases jail time if caught. They want submission
and compliance. 

> Yeah, most people don't carry.  Would there be more or less crime if 
> armed criminals KNEW that their intended victims were NOT carrying?

The US has more serious crime than any equivalent country. It also has more
civilian held guns. 

Other countries have less crime so:
Fewer guns = less serious crime

> That's all the effort I'm going to put into an argument that's gone on 
> for decades.

And has been solved in several countries through gun control. 

>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate#/media/File:2019_Gun_ownership_rates_and_gun_homicide_rates_-_developed_world_-_scatter_plot.svg>
>> 
>> Do you notice anything about that chart?
> 
> So what?
> 
> 
>