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From: Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
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Subject: Re: lithium explosion
Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2024 00:51:01 +1000
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On 15/04/2024 9:18 pm, Cursitor Doom wrote:
> On Sun, 14 Apr 2024 22:58:18 -0700, John Robertson <jrr@flippers.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> On 2024/04/14 10:09 a.m., Cursitor Doom wrote:
>>> On Sat, 13 Apr 2024 18:27:46 -0700, John Larkin
>>> <jjSNIPlarkin@highNONOlandtechnology.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 12 Apr 2024 10:07:59 -0700, John Robertson <jrr@flippers.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2024/04/12 9:52 a.m., john larkin wrote:
>>>>>> On Fri, 12 Apr 2024 12:22:00 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 4/12/2024 10:04 AM, Bill Sloman wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 12/04/2024 9:16 pm, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 2024-04-12 07:19, Bill Sloman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 9/04/2024 3:03 am, Jeroen Belleman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/8/24 18:35, John Larkin wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-68744317
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> It doesn't look like that one was charging.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Lithium battery fires are a big deal in New York too.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> San Fancisco is swarming with illegal, unlicensed electric scooters,
>>>>>>>>>>>> surfboards, wheelie things, bikes, and motorcycles.
>>>>>
>>>>> As are most cities with access to Amazon/eBay...(no regulations on what
>>>>> people can sell on these platforms)
>>>>>
>>>>> ...
>>>>>>> And fretting about the hazards of exploding batteries with 300 million
>>>>>>> guns floating around is pretty schizophrenic. Compared to being injured
>>>>>>> by an exploding bike (or shot by a stranger for that matter) your
>>>>>>> chances of being shot by a police officer are at least the same, or higher.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> About 1300 people were killed by police in the US last year, out of a
>>>>>> population of 333 million, about 4 PPM. Cops rarely shoot polite
>>>>>> law-abiding citizens; don't threaten people, especially cops, with
>>>>>> guns or knives.
>>>>>
>>>>> Here in Canada the average number of people killed by police annually is
>>>>> just under 40 per year since 2011. Out of a population of roughly
>>>>> 40,000,000 or 1 PPM in other words.
>>>>>
>>>>> Perhaps our gun laws do make a difference.
>>>>>
>>>>> John :-#)#
>>>>
>>>> The population mix makes a bigger difference. Bad guys will always
>>>> find guns.
>>
>> If there are guns to be easily found.
>>
>> Make it harder to find guns, and bad guys can't get them easily. Where
>> it is easier to procure guns, gun violence is increased. Where it is
>> harder to get guns, fewer people are killed. Gun dealers don't want that
>> message getting out though.
>>
>> I don't think the US has ore bad people than anywhere else. People are
>> people. Bullies who can't get guns readily are easier to stop.
>>>
>>> Guns don't kill people. People kill people.
>>
>> The correct anecdote would be
>>
>> "Guns don't kill people (all by themselves), people (find it easier) to
>> kill people (using guns)."
> 
> That's too verbose, it'll never catch on.

It's not the verbosity that's the problem, it's the fact that it sends 
different message, and a message that's inconvenient to people who make 
money out of making and selling guns, and want to make more money out of 
selling even more of them.

That sort of reasoning doesn't appeal to you - you need the lunatic 
element to get your turn-on.

-- 
Bill Sloman, Sydney