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From: John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com>
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On Mon, 17 Feb 2025 12:39:19 +0100, Jeroen Belleman
<jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:

>On 2/17/25 11:09, Liz Tuddenham wrote:
>> Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:
>> 
>>> On 17/02/2025 5:17 am, Cursitor Doom wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 16 Feb 2025 10:10:26 +0000, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
>>>> (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Joe Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, 15 Feb 2025 12:31:48 -0800, john larkin <JL@gct.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sat, 15 Feb 2025 10:53:37 -0700, Don Y
>>>>>>> <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 2/15/2025 3:07 AM, Liz Tuddenham wrote: > It was clearly aimed at the
>>>>>>>> home market; he was supposed to be there to > talk about security in
>>>>>>>> Europe and never even mentioned Ukraine.  All
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We (US) are governed by "entertainers", now more than ever.  It is the
>>>>>>>> nature of our "system" that we reward people who can win races instead
>>>>>>>> of govern.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And, all of them end up "old and gray" (or, oldER and BALD as is the
>>>>>>>> case of The Orange One) in the process.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> that this speech has done is to turn most European countries against
>>>>>>>>> the kind of ignorant, thuggish, self-serving America he represents.
>>>>>>>>> Fortunately there are still many Americans who are not like that.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This is probably a good thing.  Unless you are Putin.  It's pretty clear
>>>>>>>> that Russia is a Potemkin power -- definitely not a "World Power".
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The threat he poses is the threat ANY nation possessing nukes poses.
>>>>>>>> Care to make any guesses as to how many exist?  Or, *could* exist if
>>>>>>>> gifted the technology?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The big question about Russian missiles and nukes is, will they work?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Russians know that their stuff isn't especially reliable, then and
>>>>>> now.  So they have always used lots of warheads, so at least one will
>>>>>> work.
>>>>>
>>>>> Four of them came down in Romania last week - we haven't heard much
>>>>> about that on the UK news.  Two were in Moldavia, close to the border,
>>>>> so they might have been a mistake, but two more were well inside
>>>>> Romania.
>>>>
>>>> Perhaps if we hadn't breached the Minsk II Treaty and expanded NATO up
>>>> to Russia's doorstep, none of this ghastly mess would have happened in
>>>> the first place.
>>>
>>> The Russian invasion of Ukraine is a reminder of why Russia's neighbours
>>> were so keen to join NATO.
>>>
>>> The ghastly mess is entirely driven by Russia's territorial ambitions.
>> 
>> ...and the failure of the rest of the World to react to it strongly and
>> quickly enough.
>> 
>> 
>
>Which would have triggered another world war.
>
>I'm sorry for Ukraine, but they've committed a grave error
>trying to snuggle up to NATO too early. It might have worked
>if they'd waited another 50 years or so, or until relations
>of Russia with the west had developed into solid mutual trust.
>Unfortunately, that is now out of the question.
>
>It's really a pity. For a while, it looked like it could
>become a reality.
>
>Jeroen Belleman

"The West" is seductive. People want fresh fruit, uncensored internet,
freedom of speech, genuine elections. Getting that isn't snuggling up
to NATO as much as it's becoming a modern country.

Putin needs a poor, ignorant, obedient, patriotic population, which is
why he calls "the West" - actually The Enlightenment - his enemy.