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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> Newsgroups: comp.unix.shell,comp.unix.programmer,comp.lang.misc Subject: Re: on Perl Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2024 14:00:16 +0200 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 21 Message-ID: <uvlp8g$u62e$1@dont-email.me> References: <uu54la$3su5b$6@dont-email.me> <87edbtz43p.fsf@tudado.org> <0d2cnVzOmbD6f4z7nZ2dnZfqnPudnZ2d@brightview.co.uk> <20240408075547.000061e8@gmail.com> <g52cnWOOwoz_son7nZ2dnZfqnPWdnZ2d@brightview.co.uk> <uvbe3m$2cun7$1@dont-email.me> <Mkidnafag8vlooH7nZ2dnZfqn_idnZ2d@brightview.co.uk> <pan$c8c3e$b0e492b3$c544c27e$d72bff90@invalid.invalid> <uvk8o6$h2pg$3@dont-email.me> <20240415152951.000079ab@gmail.com> <uvkbec$hjeq$1@dont-email.me> <uvlc1f$rgng$1@dont-email.me> <slrnv1smf9.25p4.naddy@lorvorc.mips.inka.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2024 14:00:17 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="f8fd9bedbd48a746237f8b9c19eaabd2"; logging-data="989262"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19wTL4qM5tFGmmmdhSOmkb2eEsJ4C34flE=" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:102.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/102.11.0 Cancel-Lock: sha1:crZ9DPrshrQGfc35e1ptBGZ5ql4= Content-Language: en-GB In-Reply-To: <slrnv1smf9.25p4.naddy@lorvorc.mips.inka.de> Bytes: 2593 On 16/04/2024 12:58, Christian Weisgerber wrote: > On 2024-04-16, David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> wrote: > >> Forth is alive and well, albeit not very common. It is used in embedded >> systems - it is almost certainly the smallest language and run-time >> system where you can have a extendable high-level language, and runs >> directly on even very small microcontrollers. > > It has also been used since circa 1999 as the embedded language of > the FreeBSD boot loader, another constrained environment. In the > end Forth proved too unpopular, few people touched it, and it is > being replaced with Lua now. > People who have used Forth a lot tend to be very enthusiastic about it, but it has a long learning curve to get up to speed. This is a big disadvantage compared to "competitors" like Lua. It is perhaps fair to say that Forth is alive and well as long as its current users are alive and well - as they retire, there are relatively few newcomers to the Forth community.