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Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder6.news.weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy Subject: Re: The Joy of Python Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2024 00:59:59 -0000 (UTC) Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 18 Message-ID: <uvn6uf$17j5g$4@dont-email.me> References: <17c636a2d6477a17$13590$197378$802601b3@news.usenetexpress.com> <661c3aa1$0$2574$426a74cc@news.free.fr> <l82u1gFk5qbU1@mid.individual.net> <uvj3qs$8i51$2@dont-email.me> <uvkjht$j1nb$1@dont-email.me> <l864uuF5pu5U1@mid.individual.net> <uvlp4f$u64i$1@dont-email.me> <l87v41Fe10mU3@mid.individual.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2024 03:00:00 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="eab0799947e46f7ee0d29068ff6512f6"; logging-data="1297584"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+kGhpBtr5PvFh6RQePQvsL" User-Agent: Pan/0.155 (Kherson; fc5a80b8) Cancel-Lock: sha1:YcLO71aC8HTnYOZY687VV6NcaxI= Bytes: 2100 On 16 Apr 2024 18:42:09 GMT, rbowman wrote: > Of course reference counting never ever goes wrong. I think the term is “ORC”, for “cycles + reference counting”. Both Perl and Python do it. The idea is to do reference counting as far as possible, and only fall back to full-on garbage collection when you hit cases that need it. This way, it is fairly easy to write a well-behaved Python program whose memory usage will stay within reasonable bounds, even after running for a long time. Unlike Java, for example, which will happily chew up all the RAM on your system if you let it. There is a downside, in that maintaining those reference counts reduces the concurrency when trying to do multithreading. The Python folks have a solution to that, which will take a bit of work to do correctly, but which is slowly going in.