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Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder6.news.weretis.net!i2pn.org!i2pn2.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> Newsgroups: sci.math Subject: Re: how Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2024 18:42:16 -0400 Organization: i2pn2 (i2pn.org) Message-ID: <uvs7k8$1h01f$5@i2pn2.org> References: <qHqKnNhkFFpow5Tl3Eiz12-8JEI@jntp> <uvdvua$vnmp$1@i2pn2.org> <7FlE2ap2lYCEKbW6F4ekYb8aZ3s@jntp> <uvhaem$13m07$2@i2pn2.org> <Ru_AyGwfW3klmHhb6sjmxQ_4eqw@jntp> <uvka8l$17msm$1@i2pn2.org> <LUy8jnMOftjltS3mdpX3WN5LLNg@jntp> <uvn1hl$1arkt$1@i2pn2.org> <FRTfqq_z2PHTFM_G-AaKQuOXTiQ@jntp> <uvpk8m$1doq3$1@i2pn2.org> <8nAwOP_dNTnKX2uwIwDAqJz8Sxo@jntp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2024 22:42:16 -0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: i2pn2.org; logging-data="1605679"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@i2pn2.org"; posting-account="diqKR1lalukngNWEqoq9/uFtbkm5U+w3w6FQ0yesrXg"; User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <8nAwOP_dNTnKX2uwIwDAqJz8Sxo@jntp> X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.0 Bytes: 2435 Lines: 32 On 4/18/24 10:59 AM, WM wrote: > Le 18/04/2024 à 00:59, Richard Damon a écrit : >> On 4/17/24 2:49 PM, WM wrote: > >>> The size of ℕ is |ω|. That means ℕ extends on the ordinal line from 0 >>> to ω. By multiplying every natural number the extendion is doubled. >>> That is mathematics. Every contrary opinion is foolish. >> >> Nope, the size of ℕ, that is |ℕ| is aleph_0. ω is an ORDINAL number > > on the ordinal axis beyond all natural numbers with nothing else before it. > ℵo = |ℕ| = |ω|. > >> (showing order), not a cardinal number (showing size). This means that >> the first transfinite ordinal above the set ℕ would be the value ω. So >> yes, as you say below, there are no "finite" numbers between the set ℕ >> and the value ω, but since ℕ has no "highest" member there is no >> "predecessor" to ω, just as there is no predecessor to 0 in the >> Natural Numbers. > > Nonsense. > ω follows upon all natural numbers. There is nothing between them and ω. > > Regards, WM > > > Right, and any Natural Number * 2 is a Natural Number, so less than ω. Your logic can't handle the fact that the set of Natural Numbers is unbounded on the high side, so it doesn't understand that.