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Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder6.news.weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Tom Bola <Tom@bolamail.etc> Newsgroups: sci.math Subject: Re: how Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2024 22:57:07 +0200 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 29 Message-ID: <uvulr4$36plc$1@dont-email.me> References: <qHqKnNhkFFpow5Tl3Eiz12-8JEI@jntp> <uvhaem$13m07$2@i2pn2.org> <Ru_AyGwfW3klmHhb6sjmxQ_4eqw@jntp> <uvka8l$17msm$1@i2pn2.org> <LUy8jnMOftjltS3mdpX3WN5LLNg@jntp> <uvn1hl$1arkt$1@i2pn2.org> <FRTfqq_z2PHTFM_G-AaKQuOXTiQ@jntp> <uvpk8m$1doq3$1@i2pn2.org> <8nAwOP_dNTnKX2uwIwDAqJz8Sxo@jntp> <uvs7k8$1h01f$5@i2pn2.org> <5LBLnYAjUgXgTK4Y5LH6e8fCibw@jntp> <uvuiof$362p7$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2024 22:57:09 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="86ae52ff95bf502c4e3af7c2e3c60614"; logging-data="3368620"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19yOr9f5BgM8tam1CSdZEhijDWvWTCxGi8=" User-Agent: 40tude_Dialog/2.0.15.1 Cancel-Lock: sha1:DKLPSTFqztzRkH2C/6TEk2i8/uc= Bytes: 2558 Chris M. Thomasson schrieb: > On 4/19/2024 8:37 AM, WM wrote: >> Le 19/04/2024 à 00:42, Richard Damon a écrit : >>> On 4/18/24 10:59 AM, WM wrote: >> >>>> >>>> ω follows upon all natural numbers. There is nothing between them and ω. >> >>> Right, and any Natural Number * 2 is a Natural Number, so less than ω. >> >> If all elements of the set {1, 2, 3, ...} are doubled and nevertheless >> remain below ω, then you have created new natural numbers which have not >> been doubled. Hence you have not doubled all natural numbers. But that >> is what has to be done and, according to actual infinity, can be done. >>> >>> Your logic can't handle the fact that the set of Natural Numbers is >>> unbounded on the high side, so it doesn't understand that. >> >> Your logic can't double all natural numbers such that none below ω is >> missing. You create always new natural numbers. They have not been >> doubled. > > Multiplying any natural number by two gives a natural number that is > already in the set of all natural numbers. WM knows that definition but he doesn't ACCEPT it in his own math since 30++ years (which he doesn't mention this difference) because he feels that the used logic in today's mathematics is very wrong.