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From: The True Doctor <agamemnon@hello.to.NO_SPAM>
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Subject: Re: Ncuti Gatwa doing a third season?
Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2024 02:18:08 +0100
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On 19/04/2024 22:50, Blueshirt wrote:
> The True Doctor wrote:
> 
>> On 19/04/2024 22:05, Blueshirt wrote:
>>>
>>> How do we know that the Doctor wasn't already given a new
>>> cycle of regenerations by the Time Lords on Gallifrey and
>>> William Hartnell is the 'first' Doctor of that new cycle?
>>> Meaning there was previous incarnations of that character
>>> unseen?
>>
>>  From the Deadly Assassin, The Invasion of Time, The Arc of
>> Infinity, and The Five Doctors we and the Doctor know his
>> entire history from his biolog and from the Matrix. He only
>> had 12 regenerations and no previous cycles, as is also
>> confirmed in The Keeper of Traken and Mawdrin Undead. The Five
>> Doctor's and The Deadly Assassin categorically rule out any
>> possibility of new cycles without bringing about the
>> destruction of Gallifrey as Berusa or the Master only needed
>> to become President to allocate them to themselves. No Game of
>> Rassilon, no Sash of Rassilon, nothing more than issuing an
>> executive order. No such technology existed. New cycles only
>> became possible during the Time War. The Doctor had complete
>> unimpeded access to the Matrix as President in The Invasion of
>> Time and would have known his entire past. There is no
>> Timeless Child and not regeneration before Hartnell, the first
>> and original Doctor.
> 
> Memory wipe, amnesia, Time Lords telling lies, people using
> nefarious actions to tamper with the Matrix... (etc.) It's
> fiction, it can be written any way they want it to be written.
> 

Not it can't. Do you actually have any clue how to write?

Coming up with totally ridiculous conspiracy theories in order to 
re-write a character's entire origin story and past is unacceptable in 
literature.

I remember a discussion here where John Peel's 8th Doctor novel War of 
the Daleks did not go down well because it retconned every story from 
Destiny of the Daleks onwards (and even Power of the Daleks) via a 
totally ridiculous conspiracy theory in order to make out Skaro was 
never destroyed by the Hand of Omega. I'm not going to go into exact 
details of the plot but reading it was one of the reasons why I joined 
this group, and the consternation of it was almost unanimous, everyone 
but John Peel himself. Most people did not regard it as being canon even 
among the novels.

The Timeless Child monster is over a million times worse.

> Playing Devil's Advocate, if nobody came before William
> Hartnell's Doctor, then what 'number' is Doctor Ruth (aka the
> Fugitive Doctor) then? Doctor 13b? Doctor -1? Doctor 16? (etc.)

She isn't the Doctor, never was and never will be, and neither are 
Whittaker, Tennant MkII, and Gatwa. Nothing after The Fall of the Doctor 
is real.

> We saw her on the TV in an episode of Doctor Who, complete with
> a TARDIS, so therefore she has to exist somewhere in the
> Doctor's timeline...

No she doesn't.

> 
> Well, unless somebody steps out of a shower...
> 

Exactly. We are still waiting.

>>> May 11th 2024 will prove otherwise!
>>
>> May 11th 2024 is the Eurovision final. There's no Doctor Who
>> on that day since Doctor Who ended in 2017. Carry On Doctor is
>> no substitute.
> 
> You won't be reviewing any episodes of Doctor Who here later on
> that evening so? That's good. We can have a peaceful evening.

I will be reviewing them after they come out on iPlayer. I'm not going 
to waste my time watching them before the Eurovision final which is long 
enough as it is.

-- 
The True Doctor https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCngrZwoS0n21IRcXpKO79Lw

"To be woke is to be uninformed which is exactly the opposite of what it 
stands for." -William Shatner