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ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) wrote or quoted:
>ˈɹʷʊˑuɿ ᵊɹ̩

  And this [ʊˑu] is what some authors write as [ʊu̯]. Both
  notations express that the first part is longer than the
  second part, they just differ in whether the author sees the
  first part to be longer than a vowel of unmarked length or the
  second part to be shorter than a vowel of unmarked length . . .

  Now, let's quote Peter again. Peter, please tell us something
  about your use of IPA!

|I am not using any sort of IPA; if you would for once in your life
|REMEMBER something you claim to have learned, you would note that I am
|writing phonemes, not a phonetic transcription; and for a phonemic
|transcription I, and most American linguists, use the Smith-Trager
|phonemicization.
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Peter T. Daniels on 2003-07-21 22:25:09+00:00 in alt.usage.english, 
Subject: viral words

  Thank you, Peter!

  Ah! Who knows this Smith-Trager phonemicization? Well, I actually
  found a description!

|(Smith-Trager, after Bloomfield)
|
|iy                            uw
|
|i                             u
|
|ey              ə             ow
|
|e                             o
|
|æ                             a
|
what I found in the Web.

  And this "uw" is what some authors write as [ʊu]! Both
  notations express that the first part is more open than the
  second part, they just differ in whether the author sees the
  first part to be more open than the cardinal [u] or the 
  second part to be closer than a cardinal [u] . . .