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Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2024 11:26:45 -0000 (UTC)
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Anonymous <anon@anon.net> wrote:
> Alan wrote:
>> On 2024-04-19 14:03, Anonymous wrote:
>>> Alan wrote:
>>>> On 2024-04-15 22:10, Anonymous wrote:
>>>>> Alan wrote:
>>>>>> On 2024-04-14 20:06, Anonymous wrote:
>>>>>>> Chris wrote:
>>>>>>>> Anonymous <anon@anon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Chris wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Anonymous <anon@anon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Chris wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Anonymous <anon@anon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chris wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anonymous <anon@anon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chris wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anonymous <anon@anon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Java Jive wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 04/04/2024 01:58, Hank Rogers wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So is trump. They are much alike and have never done anything 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrong. Ever.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Neither has ever committed a crime or screwed a customer or 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> business partner.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That is provably untrue, in that Trump has already lost two 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> civil cases,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wherein one of which a jury found him to be a rapist  - in most 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> civilised
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people's view, that is both committing a crime and screwing 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> someone.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Losing a civil case is not the same as a criminal conviction.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The claim was the he "never done anything wrong". Losing a civil 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> case is a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> clear case of doing something wrong.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No it's not. Anyone can sue anyone for anything.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And? If the court finds against you you've legally done something 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrong.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not morally.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Are you saying that Trump has never done anything morally wrong? You've
>>>>>>>>>>>> completely lost any sense of reality.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> At the very least he cheated on two of his wives. He sexually 
>>>>>>>>>>>> assaulted one
>>>>>>>>>>>> woman (probably more) and he defrauded several banks and the IRS.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> If he legitimately "knife to the throat" raped women,
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> What the fuck does that mean?
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> then why wasn't
>>>>>>>>>>> he criminally prosecuted?
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Like you said yourself the US system doesn't provide justice, especially
>>>>>>>>>> against rich, powerful men. Sexual assault hasn't been treated well by the
>>>>>>>>>> CJS for a long time.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Well, you probably think Jacqueline Coakley was telling the truth. LOL!
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Forget accusations, most rape _convictions_ are false.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Spoken like a true misogynist.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Go read what happened to Harvey Weinstein.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> What exactly—in your humble opinion—"happened" to Harvey Weinstein?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Why should some slut be allowed to go to the authorities after YEARS
>>>>> AND YEARS and cry "rape"?
>>>> 
>>>> Why should he be allowed to get away with it even if it's been years?
>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Are there any aspects of the law you trust? From here it sounds like you'd
>>>>>>>> prefer the wild west.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> There are countless laws that literally invent crimes and proscribe
>>>>>>>>>>>>> punishments when there is no concrete harm being done to anyone or
>>>>>>>>>>>>> anything.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Countless, really? Examples.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Notable you didn't answer this.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> All laws that punish mere possession of firearms by peaceable men, for one,
>>>>>>>>> if you really want to get into that debate.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Why do "peaceable men" need to have a gun? In modern society there's no
>>>>>>>> need for anyone to be carrying guns. It's just boys pretending to be men.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Because bad and evil men exist. This isn't changed by modern society.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> When everyone is carrying a gun
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> But not everyone carries a gun.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The simple fact is:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate#/media/File:2019_Gun_ownership_rates_and_gun_homicide_rates_-_developed_world_-_scatter_plot.svg>
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Deal with it.
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Do you think that someone is more dead after having been shot with a
>>>>> gun?
>>>>> 
>>>>> And why the focus on the "developed world"?
>>>> 
>>>> Because those countries are similar to the US in terms of wealth, social 
>>>> development, etc.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> Mexico has fierce gun laws
>>>>> and a much higher murder rate.
>>>> And there is a lot more poverty in Mexico.
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> Poverty doesn't cause crime.
>> 
>> Poverty leads to desperation, and desperate people do what they need to do to 
>> survive.
> 
> Poverty is the natural state of man. 

No it isn't. 

> There are plenty of poor civilized people,
> and I don't see them turning their neighborhoods into crime-ridden ghettos.

The difference is that in developed countries there's alot of clear
inequalities between the haves and have nots and the wealthy only have
interests in becoming richer. In poorer countries people are more similar.