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Path: ...!feeds.phibee-telecom.net!news.mixmin.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> Newsgroups: sci.logic,comp.theory Subject: Re: Undecidability based on epistemological antinomies V2 --Tarski Proof-- Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2024 09:44:37 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 54 Message-ID: <v038om$bitp$2@dont-email.me> References: <uvq0sg$21m7a$1@dont-email.me> <uvq359$1doq3$4@i2pn2.org> <uvrbvs$2acf7$1@dont-email.me> <uvs70t$1h01f$1@i2pn2.org> <uvsgcl$2i80k$1@dont-email.me> <uvsj4v$1h01e$1@i2pn2.org> <uvubo2$34nh3$1@dont-email.me> <uvvsap$3i5q8$1@dont-email.me> <v00mf6$3nu0r$1@dont-email.me> <v02gu5$6quf$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2024 16:44:38 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="dabbc650cf29c1e38ec893c3911f228a"; logging-data="379833"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19SHCupD7gb2F5UqcKXwRh+" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:10l+0T7QhkeuKFpPuIF63AsZf9c= In-Reply-To: <v02gu5$6quf$1@dont-email.me> Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 3654 On 4/21/2024 2:57 AM, Mikko wrote: > On 2024-04-20 15:20:05 +0000, olcott said: > >> On 4/20/2024 2:54 AM, Mikko wrote: >>> On 2024-04-19 18:04:48 +0000, olcott said: >>> >>>> When we create a three-valued logic system that has these >>>> three values: {True, False, Nonsense} >>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-valued_logic >>> >>> Such three valued logic has the problem that a tautology of the >>> ordinary propositional logic cannot be trusted to be true. For >>> example, in ordinary logic A ∨ ¬A is always true. This means that >>> some ordinary proofs of ordinary theorems are no longer valid and >>> you need to accept the possibility that a theory that is complete >>> in ordinary logic is incomplete in your logic. >>> >> >> I only used three-valued logic as a teaching device. Whenever an >> expression of language has the value of {Nonsense} then it is >> rejected and not allowed to be used in any logical operations. It >> is basically invalid input. > > You cannot teach because you lack necessary skills. Therefore you > don't need any teaching device. > That is too close to ad homimen. If you think my reasoning is incorrect then point to the error in my reasoning. Saying that in your opinion I am a bad teacher is too close to ad hominem because it refers to your opinion of me and utterly bypasses any of my reasoning. > As you make the syntax of your language dependent on semantics > you lose one of the greatest advantage of formal languages: > the simplicity of determination whether a string is a well formed > formula. > Not at all. By combining them together we can simultaneously determine syntactic and semantic correctness. By keeping them separate we have misconstrued expressions that are not even propositions as propositions that prove incompleteness and undecidability. A proposition is a central concept in the philosophy of language, semantics, logic, and related fields, often characterized as the primary bearer of truth or falsity. Propositions are also often characterized as being the kind of thing that declarative sentences denote. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proposition -- Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer