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Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> Newsgroups: comp.arch Subject: The Design of Design Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2024 20:56:05 -0000 (UTC) Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 29 Message-ID: <v03uh5$gbd5$1@dont-email.me> Injection-Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2024 22:56:05 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="13c5e6412f833d785399418326fe25d6"; logging-data="535973"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18i66iOmqzUT4dYxca4m72c4z5vkNxzIUw=" User-Agent: slrn/1.0.3 (Linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:bWP3kuw7rEB2oUUQWYLnH3HMXFg= Bytes: 2243 I've just read (most of) "The Design of Design" by Fred Brooks, especially the chapters dealing with the design of the /360, and it's certainly worth reading. (I had finished "The Mythical Man-Month" before). There are chapters on computer and software architectures, but also something on a house he himself built. An interesting detail about the /360 design was that they originally wanted to do a stack-based machine. It would have been OK for the mid- and high-end machines, but on low-end machines it would have been undompetetive, so they rejected that approach. He discusses the book on computer architecture he co-authored with Gerrit Blaauw in it (as a project). Would be _very_ nice to read, but the price on Amazon is somewhat steep, a bit more than 150 Euros. One thing about Brooks - he is not shy of criticizing his own works when his views changed. I liked his scathing comments on JCL so much that I put them in the Wikipedia article :-) His main criticism of his own book on computer architecture was that it treated computer architecture as a finite field which had been explored already. @John S: Not sure if you've read "The Design of Design", but if you haven't, you probably should. It might help you to refocus in your quest to recreate a S/360 (especially the requirement to get the architecture to work well on a very small machine like the 360/30). Soo... good to read. Anything else?