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On 22/04/2024 12:06, Daniel70 wrote:
> Blueshirt wrote on 22/4/24 5:34 am:
>> The True Doctor wrote:
>>> On 20/04/2024 22:05, Blueshirt wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Robert Holmes re-wrote the script as you well know and it was
>>>> the intent of the Production team of that story that those
>>>> were the faces of the Doctor. When you watched "The Brain of
>>>> Morbius" as a child, that was the intent behind that scene.
>>>
>>> Nope. When I watched the story as a child the faces were
>>> presumed to be those of Morbius as he was winning.
>>
>> You were very clever then wasn't you, as that's not what the
>> intention behind that scene was, as you know. However, as I said
>> to Dave, people are free to take whatever interpretation they
>> want to from that scene, it doesn't change what the original
>> intent was. If people had read the Target novel first, before
>> watching the story on VHS or DVD (etc.), the idea that those
>> faces were pre-Hartnell Doctors would be a strange proposition
>> indeed. So I can accept that point of view.
>>
>> But trying to say that the producer of "The Brain of Morbius"
>> didn't intend for them to be the faces of 'The Doctor' when
>> those episodes were filmed is historical revisionism.
> 
> Did I read someone here or was it in the UseNet Archives??....
> 
> Did someone post that in 'The Brain of Morbius' there are actually TWO 
> SCREENS and The Doctor is viewing one of these screens, seeing all those 
> faces flash past.

There is only one screen. See 
https://thedoctorwhocompanion.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/The-Brain-of-Morbius-4th-Fourth-Tom-Baker-Philip-Hinchcliffe.jpg

> 
> So, I presume, Morbius could be watching the other screen, also seeing 
> faces flash past.

No. The screen is in the middle between them. The BBC probably intended 
it to be a 3D projection but the effects are too simple to make that 
look realistic enough.

> 
> So couldn't each of them be seeing their own previous incarnations flash 
> past .... which then brings up the question of all those other, extra, 
> faces ... that, to the best of the TV Viewer knowledge AT THAT TIME 
> hadn't been worn by The Doctor .... but the TV Viewer NOW knows could 
> have been previous Doctor Who incarnations.
> 

At the start Tom Baker is winning which is why you see his face first. 
Then his faces run out as Morbius takes control and Morbius's faces 
start appearing and stay there until he wins. It would be ridiculous 
writing if the Doctor never had a chance to dominate during any part of 
the game.

>>>> [ Snip]
>>>>
>>>> The [second Doctor] line about a previous "renewal" was cut
>>>> from the draft script following a discussion among the
>>>> production team.
>>>
>>> So they realized it would contradict what Hartnell said in The
>>> Tenth Planet.
> 
> Not if the Second Doctor mentioned only one previous incarnation!
> 

That of Hartnell.

>> It's possible somebody mentioned that. It was 1967, so who knows?
>> <shrugs>  That line from the draft script was excised and we got
>> what we got in the episode.
> 

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