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Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder6.news.weretis.net!i2pn.org!i2pn2.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> Newsgroups: sci.math Subject: Re: how Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2024 19:12:39 -0400 Organization: i2pn2 (i2pn.org) Message-ID: <v06qt7$1uk1u$4@i2pn2.org> References: <qHqKnNhkFFpow5Tl3Eiz12-8JEI@jntp> <87jzkv60u7.fsf@fatphil.org> <x8vkK7FeDZu-rGbWyGj5CBhPQ9o@jntp> <uvs7gv$1h01f$4@i2pn2.org> <F3NJB2RrI4M6H-wuVHFtzoAViKA@jntp> <uvuva9$1kece$5@i2pn2.org> <DyBoUcjuLAQDalmSya1j78sia7o@jntp> <v00tbm$1m94c$7@i2pn2.org> <gn3XquYvKb0iZ6wmy_-U2ZoLFXQ@jntp> <v012n3$1m94c$8@i2pn2.org> <hXPi27mwxQGZvJpRoSGHO1ymBss@jntp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2024 23:12:39 -0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: i2pn2.org; logging-data="2052158"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@i2pn2.org"; posting-account="diqKR1lalukngNWEqoq9/uFtbkm5U+w3w6FQ0yesrXg"; User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird In-Reply-To: <hXPi27mwxQGZvJpRoSGHO1ymBss@jntp> Content-Language: en-US X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.0 Bytes: 2147 Lines: 28 On 4/22/24 10:25 AM, WM wrote: > Le 20/04/2024 à 20:49, Richard Damon a écrit : >> On 4/20/24 2:40 PM, WM wrote: > >>>> Of course you can double all the elements, they just double into a >>>> subset of themselves. >>> >>> Impossible. >>> >> But True. >> >> It may seem impossible to you, > > The original set is in (0, ω). The doubled set cannot be compressed to > (0, ω). This disproves your unquestioning faith. > > Regards, WM Why not? any element of the set (0, ω) will be a finite number 0 < k < ω (since ω is DEFINED to be the first transfinite ordinal), and we have as a proven fact in mathematics that any finite number, when doubled, will be another finite number which will be < ω, and thus the final set IS contained in the same bound as the first. This can also be seen to be due to the fact that aleph_0 * 2 - aleph_0 (Cardinal arithmetic on Transfinite numbers working differently than Ordinal arithmatic).