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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> Newsgroups: sci.logic Subject: Re: Undecidability based on epistemological antinomies V2 --Mendelson-- Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2024 09:21:45 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 66 Message-ID: <v08g5p$1lpta$1@dont-email.me> References: <uvq0sg$21m7a$1@dont-email.me> <uvq359$1doq3$4@i2pn2.org> <uvrbvs$2acf7$1@dont-email.me> <uvs70t$1h01f$1@i2pn2.org> <uvsgcl$2i80k$1@dont-email.me> <uvsj4v$1h01e$1@i2pn2.org> <uvsknc$2mq5c$1@dont-email.me> <uvvrj6$3i152$1@dont-email.me> <v00r07$3oqra$1@dont-email.me> <v02ggt$6org$1@dont-email.me> <v03866$bitp$1@dont-email.me> <v056us$rmqi$1@dont-email.me> <v05qmq$vvml$1@dont-email.me> <v05usg$110vm$1@dont-email.me> <v060v4$11f0n$1@dont-email.me> <v07qdm$1h0t2$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2024 16:21:45 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="a7006f3e3637d5c785f9944f8af11529"; logging-data="1763242"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19e/1cjVmcj3fzb6MEZ/cJv" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:6YyPuCA9FgPe2QhHrBcGUEbssI4= In-Reply-To: <v07qdm$1h0t2$1@dont-email.me> Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 3929 On 4/23/2024 3:10 AM, Mikko wrote: > On 2024-04-22 15:49:56 +0000, olcott said: > >> On 4/22/2024 10:14 AM, Mikko wrote: >>> On 2024-04-22 14:03:05 +0000, olcott said: >>> >>>> On 4/22/2024 3:26 AM, Mikko wrote: >>>>> On 2024-04-21 14:34:44 +0000, olcott said: >>>>> >>>>>> On 4/21/2024 2:50 AM, Mikko wrote: >>>>>>> On 2024-04-20 16:37:27 +0000, olcott said: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 4/20/2024 2:41 AM, Mikko wrote: >>>>>>>>> On 2024-04-19 02:25:48 +0000, olcott said: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 4/18/2024 8:58 PM, Richard Damon wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Godel's proof you are quoting from had NOTHING to do with >>>>>>>>>>> undecidability, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> *Mendelson (and everyone that knows these things) disagrees* >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> https://sistemas.fciencias.unam.mx/~lokylog/images/Notas/la_aldea_de_la_logica/Libros_notas_varios/L_02_MENDELSON,%20E%20-%20Introduction%20to%20Mathematical%20Logic,%206th%20Ed%20-%20CRC%20Press%20(2015).pdf >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On questions whether Gödel said something or not the sumpreme >>>>>>>>> authority >>>>>>>>> is not Mendelson but Gödel. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> When some authors affirm that undecidability and incompleteness >>>>>>>> are the exact same thing then whenever Gödel uses the term >>>>>>>> incompleteness then he is also referring to the term >>>>>>>> undecidability. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> That does not follow. Besides, a reference to the term >>>>>>> "undecidability" >>>>>>> is not a reference to the concept 'undecidability'. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> In other words you deny the identity principle thus X=X is false. >>>>> >>>>> It is not a good idea to lie where the truth can be seen. >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>"undecidability" is not a reference to the concept >>>> 'undecidability'. >>>> That is the best that I could make about the above quote. There is no >>>> standard practice of using different kind of quotes that I am aware of. >>> >>> Dishonest partial quoting is not a good idea, either. >>> >> >> It is like you are saying "cats" are not 'cats' > > There is nothing like "cats" or 'cats' in the part of sentence "Besides, > a reference to the term" that you deceptively omitted. > Gibberish nonsense: >>>> "undecidability" is not a reference to the concept 'undecidability'. -- Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer