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Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder6.news.weretis.net!i2pn.org!i2pn2.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> Newsgroups: sci.math Subject: Re: how Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2024 21:50:22 -0400 Organization: i2pn2 (i2pn.org) Message-ID: <v09ogu$222fd$1@i2pn2.org> References: <qHqKnNhkFFpow5Tl3Eiz12-8JEI@jntp> <5LBLnYAjUgXgTK4Y5LH6e8fCibw@jntp> <uvuiof$362p7$1@dont-email.me> <uvulr4$36plc$1@dont-email.me> <stohwU8_tXR1lFqmbIJKGgksu_Q@jntp> <v00upr$3pm7b$1@dont-email.me> <ZBi4zgLNiT37UPa-AXe7ZNaUYVk@jntp> <v01ggs$3tc37$1@dont-email.me> <L2UhMbkkW3TeMvDoHPdBrhXFsds@jntp> <v068oc$137lt$1@dont-email.me> <hJLbsBln3PsUHAxhjVb27EqPUbo@jntp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2024 01:50:22 -0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: i2pn2.org; logging-data="2165229"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@i2pn2.org"; posting-account="diqKR1lalukngNWEqoq9/uFtbkm5U+w3w6FQ0yesrXg"; User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird In-Reply-To: <hJLbsBln3PsUHAxhjVb27EqPUbo@jntp> X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.0 Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 2055 Lines: 27 On 4/23/24 2:06 PM, WM wrote: > Le 22/04/2024 à 20:02, FromTheRafters a écrit : >> WM has brought this to us : >>> Le 21/04/2024 à 00:44, FromTheRafters a écrit : >>>> WM wrote : >>> >>>>>> What is a gap in the ordinals? >>>>> >>>>> It is a not existing ordinal between two ordinals. It is a not >>>>> existing natural number next to ω, for instance. >>>> >>>> Sets do not have not existing elements. >>> >>> What is ω - 1? >> >> An absurdity. > > Not more nor less than ω. > > Regards, WM But if ω - 1 existed, it would be before ω, and thus less than it. That is the definition of ordinal numbers. But since it is NOT a "finite" number, as "ω - 1" + 1 would be ω and not a finite number, but all finite numbers + 1 give the next finite number, and ω is DEFINED as the first transfinite ordinal, it can not exist.