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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> Newsgroups: comp.theory,sci.logic Subject: Re: Undecidability based on epistemological antinomies V2 --correct reasoning-- Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2024 12:04:50 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 53 Message-ID: <v0e2fi$34208$1@dont-email.me> References: <uvq0sg$21m7a$1@dont-email.me> <v03j47$duff$1@dont-email.me> <PjKdnaQ6_-5iwLj7nZ2dnZfqn_SdnZ2d@giganews.com> <v03poc$fc7j$1@dont-email.me> <v03vsb$1q6tg$2@i2pn2.org> <v040vp$gra8$1@dont-email.me> <v048rh$1q6th$3@i2pn2.org> <v04cec$j1qt$1@dont-email.me> <v04ggc$1q6th$4@i2pn2.org> <v04oe0$ot1b$1@dont-email.me> <v05hmu$1q6th$5@i2pn2.org> <v08nb5$1ngqu$1@dont-email.me> <Xb6cnZid7_S6a7r7nZ2dnZfqn_idnZ2d@giganews.com> <v090f5$1phm7$1@dont-email.me> <tvucnRcpna67vbT7nZ2dnZfqn_udnZ2d@giganews.com> <v0ba4h$2defp$1@dont-email.me> <xcecnYsLObwS37T7nZ2dnZfqnPednZ2d@giganews.com> <v0bhul$2f9nu$1@dont-email.me> <zsidnYj514zZy7T7nZ2dnZfqnPSdnZ2d@giganews.com> <v0bqp1$2hain$1@dont-email.me> <7MCdnd4g3IwhMbT7nZ2dnZfqn_idnZ2d@giganews.com> <v0cd2d$2l424$1@dont-email.me> <DqicnY-1Url-X7T7nZ2dnZfqnPSdnZ2d@giganews.com> <v0chui$2pon3$1@dont-email.me> <i92dnTFl7rq2SLT7nZ2dnZfqn_WdnZ2d@giganews.com> <v0cme2$2qhje$1@dont-email.me> <v0df0r$26ja1$3@i2pn2.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2024 19:04:51 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="582e37b572b2a71d2b4cb5a79c660258"; logging-data="3278856"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/YNi4YashI49/+l7qtMb27" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:FUjfQqvYMBk4UmPFciuSpv2Wyww= Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <v0df0r$26ja1$3@i2pn2.org> Bytes: 3833 On 4/25/2024 6:32 AM, Richard Damon wrote: > On 4/25/24 12:33 AM, olcott wrote: >> On 4/24/2024 10:59 PM, Ross Finlayson wrote: >> The only thing that I have ever been talking about is True(L,x) >> specified as relations between finite strings such that a >> correct and consistent True(L,x) can be defined for every >> element of human knowledge that can be expressed using language. >> >> As far as Eastern religion goes Zen/Tao & Advaita. >> > > > Then what is the value of True(L,x) where x is defined as to be the > stagtement: "Not True(L,x)"? > > If it is TRUE, the x is the equivalent of NOT TRUE, or FALSE and thus > your True(L,x) has said a false statement was true. > > If it is FALSE, then x is the equivalent of NOT FALSE, or TRUE, and thus > your True(L,x) has said that a TRUE statement was FALSE. > > If it refuses to answer, then you have lied that it can be defined for > ANY finite string. > > That, our your logic system just can't handle the basics of the problem. ∃L ∈ Formal_Systems, ∃x ∈ L (True(L, x) ≡ (L ⊢ x)) ∃L ∈ Formal_Systems, ∃x ∈ L (False(L, x) ≡ (L ⊢ ~x)) ∃L ∈ Formal_Systems, ∃x ∈ L (Truth_Bearer(L, x) ≡ (True(L, x) ∨ False(L, x))) https://www.researchgate.net/publication/331859461_Minimal_Type_Theory_YACC_BNF I created Minimal Type Theory so that I could concisely encode actual self-reference. In all the literature it is conventional to encode self-reference incorrectly. LP := ~True(LP) Prolog rejects expressions having the same structure as LP ?- LP = not(true(LP)). LP = not(true(LP)). ?- unify_with_occurs_check(LP, not(true(LP))). false. Truth_Bearer(L, LP) == FALSE -- Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer