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Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> Newsgroups: sci.logic,comp.theory Subject: Re: Undecidability based on epistemological antinomies V2 --Mendelson-- Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2024 10:28:08 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 64 Message-ID: <v0gh69$3oudg$1@dont-email.me> References: <uvq0sg$21m7a$1@dont-email.me> <uvq359$1doq3$4@i2pn2.org> <uvrbvs$2acf7$1@dont-email.me> <uvs70t$1h01f$1@i2pn2.org> <uvsgcl$2i80k$1@dont-email.me> <uvsj4v$1h01e$1@i2pn2.org> <uvsknc$2mq5c$1@dont-email.me> <uvvrj6$3i152$1@dont-email.me> <v00r07$3oqra$1@dont-email.me> <v02ggt$6org$1@dont-email.me> <v03866$bitp$1@dont-email.me> <v056us$rmqi$1@dont-email.me> <v08i2i$1m5hp$2@dont-email.me> <v0akj8$28ghd$1@dont-email.me> <v0bada$2defp$2@dont-email.me> <v0d42v$2tclm$1@dont-email.me> <v0dp8c$31vd9$1@dont-email.me> <v0fpdc$3j50e$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2024 17:28:10 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="1330034b44815d6f0f4bef63cec1ba13"; logging-data="3963312"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19R+gF7U8NDjYZVXpdv4C1Y" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:z04aEkvYzL+9G6XDo2SAXZnGVDI= Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <v0fpdc$3j50e$1@dont-email.me> Bytes: 3966 On 4/26/2024 3:42 AM, Mikko wrote: > On 2024-04-25 14:27:23 +0000, olcott said: > >> On 4/25/2024 3:26 AM, Mikko wrote: >>> epistemological antinomy >> >> It <is> part of the current (thus incorrect) definition >> of undecidability because expressions of language that >> are neither true nor false (epistemological antinomies) >> do prove undecidability even though these expressions >> are not truth bearers thus not propositions. > > That a definition is current does not mean that is incorrect. > ....14 Every epistemological antinomy can likewise be used for a similar undecidability proof...(Gödel 1931:43-44) > An epistemological antinomy can only be an undecidable sentence > if it can be a sentence. What epistemological antinomies you > can find that can be expressed in, say, first order goup theory > or first order arithmetic or first order set tehory? > It only matters that they can be expressed in some formal system. If they cannot be expressed in any formal system then Gödel is wrong for a different reason. Minimal Type Theory (YACC BNF) https://www.researchgate.net/publication/331859461_Minimal_Type_Theory_YACC_BNF I created MTT so that self-reference could be correctly represented it is conventional to represent self-reference incorrectly. MTT uses adapted FOL to express arbitrary orders of logic. When MTT expressions are translated into directed graphs a cycle in the graph proves that the expression is erroneous. Here is the Liar Paradox in MTT: LP := ~True(LP) 00 root (1) 01 ~ (2) 02 True (0) // cycle Same as ~True(~True(~True(~True(...)))) In Prolog ?- LP = not(true(LP)). LP = not(true(LP)). ?- unify_with_occurs_check(LP, not(true(LP))). false. Indicates ~True(~True(~True(~True(...)))) In mathematical logic, a sentence (or closed formula)[1] of a predicate logic is a Boolean-valued well-formed formula with no free variables. A sentence can be viewed as expressing a proposition, something that must be true or false. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sentence_(mathematical_logic) By definition epistemological antinomies cannot be true or false thus cannot be logic sentences therefore Gödel is wrong. -- Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer