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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!nntp-feed.chiark.greenend.org.uk!ewrotcd!news.eyrie.org!beagle.ediacara.org!.POSTED.beagle.ediacara.org!not-for-mail From: Chris Thompson <the_thompsons@earthlink.net> Newsgroups: talk.origins Subject: Re: West Virginia creationism Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2024 20:17:34 -0400 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 38 Sender: to%beagle.ediacara.org Approved: moderator@beagle.ediacara.org Message-ID: <v0hg6v$3voe6$1@dont-email.me> References: <gdop0jt4mvqljioufv7stmefniid401svh@4ax.com> <CvnRN.140988$6ePe.119511@fx42.iad> <rcpd1jtljvngh3g3s7455lun0ukjlrqoeb@4ax.com> <2VYRN.256204$hN14.193303@fx17.iad> <4fch1jpp5qtolug4bj158sl9tvn8h7htp9@4ax.com> <ZudSN.257840$hN14.25285@fx17.iad> <folk1jhbg7o63c0spnibf1j72jeb6tcllc@4ax.com> <RUISN.631461$Ama9.561968@fx12.iad> <lafv1jp2fv47for3jusorqcmncfk1d9142@4ax.com> <IA3UN.953$9pR2.722@fx13.iad> <dsbc2jhon7ontdokugvdfg6tedrqnkntq4@4ax.com> <%AzVN.19359$8tL7.11884@fx09.iad> <n7jd2j1lamelgiq69tvlih4mh708alb8d7@4ax.com> <FtDWN.112651$moa7.28881@fx18.iad> <v0gdmp$3o3qj$1@dont-email.me> <4eff8d2f-7e27-4971-987a-70a7bb36f22d@gmail.com> <0aednRADo9NeQbb7nZ2dnZfqlJydnZ2d@giganews.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: beagle.ediacara.org; posting-host="beagle.ediacara.org:3.132.105.89"; logging-data="68695"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@beagle.ediacara.org" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:91.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/91.0 SeaMonkey/2.53.18.2 To: talk-origins@moderators.isc.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:wRqp/8/eZ9Rd65uTO3ZoFMv3Jls= Return-Path: <news@eternal-september.org> X-Original-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org Delivered-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org id 0928C22976C; Fri, 26 Apr 2024 20:17:15 -0400 (EDT) by beagle.ediacara.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA1E8229758 for <talk-origins@ediacara.org>; Fri, 26 Apr 2024 20:17:13 -0400 (EDT) id CEF975DC40; Sat, 27 Apr 2024 00:17:38 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: talk-origins@moderators.isc.org by mod-relay-1.kamens.us (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AE0145DC29 for <talk-origins@moderators.isc.org>; Sat, 27 Apr 2024 00:17:38 +0000 (UTC) id F3E72DC01A9; Sat, 27 Apr 2024 02:17:35 +0200 (CEST) X-Injection-Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2024 02:17:35 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: <0aednRADo9NeQbb7nZ2dnZfqlJydnZ2d@giganews.com> X-Auth-Sender: U2FsdGVkX1+NI6h6F4jwElN+UA8/zzezRixJZR6ifDgUsCDQbaoGfilcaSoacyEH Bytes: 4472 John Harshman wrote: > On 4/26/24 8:48 AM, erik simpson wrote: >> On 4/26/24 7:28 AM, Ernest Major wrote: >>> On 26/04/2024 02:31, Ron Dean wrote: >>>> I think due to gradual increasing genetic errors and increase rate >>>> of deleterious mutations each generation becomes less fit than the >>>> preceding generation, so in the passing spans of time the genes of a >>>> species become less and less incapable of reproduction or species >>>> survival. This could account for many of 99%+ of of all species that >>>> ever lived that have gone extinct. Of course the dinosaurs became >>>> extinct due to a 6 mile diameter meteor striking the Earth. Also >>>> changing weather the coming and going of ice ages; as well massive >>>> volcano eruptions accounts for extinction of many species for >>>> example in Siberia. >>> >>> Are you taking a progressive creationist position, in which your >>> Intelligent Designer is continuously creating species de novo? Or are >>> you claiming that the current 10 million (+/- a lot) species biota is >>> the remnant of a much richer biota of a billion species? >>> >>> For your information, the conclusion drawn from the fossil record is >>> that (for multicellular eukaryotes at least) species diversity has >>> been generally increasing over time (though with big setbacks at >>> times of mass extinction). >>> >> I fear that Ron D's lack of knowledge of the fossil record, >> evolutionary biology and genetics precludes his having any coherent >> idea of how the living world came to be. >> > It's remotely possible that by attempting to answer questions he can be > led to realize that. If current events are any guide, numerous people will correct him numerous times. In a week or two he will return and make exactly the same wrong assertions that were recently corrected. Rinse and repeat, ad nauseum.