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On 26/04/2024 12:35, Blueshirt wrote:
> The True Doctor wrote:
> 
>> On 25/04/2024 15:01, Blueshirt wrote:
>>
>>> Doctor Who history features a pre-First Doctor incarnation
>>> now, and right or wrong - or until it's rewritten by another
>>> Doctor Who showrunner at some stage in the future - that is
>>> the way it is.
>>
>> There are no incarnations of the Doctor before Hartnell.
> 
> Apart from the one that appeared in Doctor Who recently of
> course.

No. Doctor Who ended in 2017. There are no incarnations of the Doctor 
before Hartnell.

> 
> I know it must hurt, but unfortunately it is part of the show.
> 

No it isn't. Doctor Who ended in 2017.

> Don't shoot the messenger!
>   
>>> Doctor Ruth/The Fugitive Doctor exists in episodes of Doctor
>>> Who as broadcast on BBC1 and has her own range of Big Finish
>>> audio adventures coming next year, licensed and approved by
>>> the BBC.
>>
>> Big Finish is not canon and neither is Doctor Ruth, unless you
>> mean the psychologist.
>>
>> Officially non-canon.
> 
> There is no official Doctor Who canon. So therefore there can be

Yes there is. William Hartnell is the first Doctor and there are no 
incarnations of the Doctor before him. This is canon set and reinforced 
by The Unearthly Child, The Tenth Planet, Power of the Daleks, The War 
Games, Spearhead from Space, The Three Doctors, Planet of the Spiders, 
Robot, The Brain of Morbius, The Deadly Assassin, The Underworld, The 
Invasion of Time, The Keeper of Traken, Logopolis, Mawdrin Undead, The 
Five Doctors, The Caves of Androzani, Time and the Rani, the TVM, The 
Family of Blood, The Next Doctor, The End of Time, The Eleventh Hour, 
almost every single episode featuring the 11th Doctor onwards, The Name 
of the Doctor, The Night of the Doctor, The Day of the Doctor, The Time 
of the Doctor, Listen, and Twice Upon A Time.

> no official non-canon. BUT, if there was such a thing as Doctor
> Who canon, the Fugitive Doctor would be considered part of it!

No they wouldn't as they would contradict all the above episodes and ask 
for belief in a totally unbelievably conspiracy theory which erases all 
Doctor Who continuity entirely and replaces it with something completely 
different. No one in their right mind would believe such a thing, just 
like no one in this group accepted War of the Daleks except John Peel 
who write it, and the retcon of the entire series required by the 
Timeless Child monster is infinitely worse beyond measure.

> As the people who do claim there is a canon usually mean what is
> seen on-screen in an episode of Doctor Who.
>   
>> The ones claiming incarnations before Hartnell are
>> hallucinating and smoking opium.
> 
> Or they have watched Doctor Who in recent years and seen a
> pre-Hartnell incarnation.

There has never been a pre-Hartnell incarnation. William Hartnell is the 
First and Original Doctor as stated in The Five Doctors and is implicit 
in all of the above stories I named.

>   
>> No one in their right mind could be stupid enough to believe a
>> totally insane conspiracy theory that completely erases the
>> character of the Doctor and replaces him with a monster based
>> on Doomsday.
> 
> Well, it is a bit weird and definitely poorly conceived but the
> simple fact is, it's there.

It's degenerate fan fiction and nothing to do with real Doctor Who.

Doctor Who ended in 2017.

>    
>> And now with the bigeneration bullshit attached to it it's
>> become even more incredulous, unbelievable,
> 
> But you can believe in an alien that can change his face, his

Nothing wrong with that. Anyone could change their face with plastic 
surgery, even before Doctor Who was even concieved.

> gender, his skin colour, can travel around time and space in a

The latter two are not canon. We have never seen the Doctor change his 
gender ever, not his skin colour. The only thing we have seen is Romana 
changing into a humanoid lizard, and that may have been her dressed in a 
lizard costume when the Doctor asked her to change clothing rather than 
a regeneration, since the change was never shown on screen.

> blue wooden box...that's bigger on the outside, and fights

Nothing wrong with that. Disbelief can easily be suspended for that.

> pepper-pots on wheels (with men inside) to save the universe?!
> 

They're an alien life from inside an armed and armoured travel machine. 
Suspension of disbelief does not require everything we know and have 
learned about the character of the Doctor and his history to be thrown 
out of the window to accept the existence of Daleks.

> WELL THAT'S ALRIGHT THEN!

A deranged conspiracy theory that requires that everything we know about 
the character of the Doctor, his entire history and past, his family, 
his relationships, his adventures, and his origin and entire status as a 
Time Lord, to be totally erased from our minds and replaced with 
something completely different pertaining to the character of a 
degenerate monster from another dimension created from a systematically 
abused child is not alright then.

-- 
The True Doctor https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCngrZwoS0n21IRcXpKO79Lw

"To be woke is to be uninformed which is exactly the opposite of what it 
stands for." -William Shatner