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Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> Newsgroups: sci.logic Subject: Re: Undecidability based on epistemological antinomies Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2024 10:22:11 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 45 Message-ID: <v0odv3$1qgpk$1@dont-email.me> References: <uvq0sg$21m7a$1@dont-email.me> <uvq359$1doq3$4@i2pn2.org> <uvrbvs$2acf7$1@dont-email.me> <uvs70t$1h01f$1@i2pn2.org> <uvsgcl$2i80k$1@dont-email.me> <uvsj4v$1h01e$1@i2pn2.org> <uvubo2$34nh3$1@dont-email.me> <uvvsap$3i5q8$1@dont-email.me> <v00mf6$3nu0r$1@dont-email.me> <v02gu5$6quf$1@dont-email.me> <v038om$bitp$2@dont-email.me> <v05b0k$sivu$1@dont-email.me> <v05r5e$vvml$2@dont-email.me> <v05vl4$1165d$1@dont-email.me> <v0679k$12sq2$1@dont-email.me> <v07r2j$1h57l$1@dont-email.me> <v08gn4$1lpta$2@dont-email.me> <v0ag7u$27jkb$1@dont-email.me> <v0b8np$2d4ja$1@dont-email.me> <v0d372$2t7ec$1@dont-email.me> <v0do5i$31mkn$1@dont-email.me> <v0frdr$3jhng$1@dont-email.me> <v0gka2$3pm6f$1@dont-email.me> <v0idnn$91b6$1@dont-email.me> <v0ivqh$d40l$1@dont-email.me> <v0l3a0$vanr$1@dont-email.me> <v0lin5$12ip9$1@dont-email.me> <v0np15$1llt9$1@dont-email.me> <v0ob1e$1pbn5$7@dont-email.me> <v0ocuq$1qcqi$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2024 17:22:12 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="73fb146966bd3083c21813597b100895"; logging-data="1917748"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1++TAr0+SSdPwr+0USmcVAh" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:yF3JxLcsuU3I/VAGmpbNmoZPrmw= In-Reply-To: <v0ocuq$1qcqi$1@dont-email.me> Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 3469 On 4/29/2024 10:04 AM, Mikko wrote: > On 2024-04-29 14:32:13 +0000, olcott said: > >> On 4/29/2024 4:24 AM, Mikko wrote: >>> On 2024-04-28 13:24:52 +0000, olcott said: >>> >>>> Translated into a syllogism: >>>> >>>> All A are True >>>> No A are True >>>> Therefore B >>> >>> Which inference rule of syllogistic logic permits that inference? >>> >> >> (1) That is a correct translation from this POE argument: >> Proposition A is True. >> Proposition A is False. >> Therefore B >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principle_of_explosion >> >> (2) That as a syllogism it is the non-sequitur error proves >> that the POE was the non-sequitur error all along. > > What you call a "syllogism" isn't one as it has none of the forms > of valid syllogism as listed by Aristotle. > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Categorical_proposition proves that the premises are the categorical propositions required by syllogisms, and these are isomorphic to the POE premises. The fact that the conclusion is simply copied proves that it was "translated" correctly. When the POE argument is corrected translated into a syllogism and this syllogism has the non-sequitur error that then proves the POE argument also has this same error. Assuming that (A and ~A) are true was the mistake of the POE proof. We could equally assume that 2 > 5, thus 2 + 1 > 5. -- Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer