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Subject: Re: The 1st Amendment Apparently Doesn't Exist in New York Either
Date: Wed, 1 May 2024 10:14:34 -0400
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On 5/1/24 4:55 AM, trotsky wrote:
> On 4/30/24 8:17 AM, FPP wrote:
>> On 4/30/24 5:13 AM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>> Fresh off a New York judge illegally declaring that 1/10th of the 
>>> Bill of
>>> Rights has been repealed in her courtroom, the governor of New York has
>>> announced she'll be policing 1st Amendment protected speech if she 
>>> doesn't
>>> like what you're saying.
>>>
>>> New York Announces it Will Take Citizen Surveillance and Censorship 
>>> to the
>>> Next Level
>>>
>>> Like the plot to a dystopian movie, New York will now monitor social 
>>> media
>>> writings, collect data, and use law enforcement to crack down on any
>>> expression it deems to be hate speech.
>>>
>>> New York Gov. Kathy Hochul (D) announced on Monday that the state 
>>> will ramp up
>>> surveillance efforts of social media accounts and that law 
>>> enforcement will
>>> take proactive measures, including contacting people on suspicion of 
>>> using
>>> "hate speech".
>>>
>>> Hochul cited the rise in anti-Semitic activity in New York and 
>>> especially New
>>> York City, where the world's largest population of Jews outside of 
>>> Israel
>>> resides. Hochul also mentioned alleged "Islamophobic" incidents, 
>>> which she
>>> claimed were increasing and going under-reported.
>>>
>>> The governor said she would also be increasing police presence, which 
>>> she
>>> stated has been focused on protecting potential targets including 
>>> "synagogues
>>> and yeshivas and mosques and any other place that could be 
>>> susceptible to hate
>>> crimes or violence".
>>>
>>> As part of that, Hochul explained, "...we're very focused on the data 
>>> we're
>>> collecting from surveillance efforts-- what's being said on social media
>>> platforms. And we have launched an effort to be able to counter some 
>>> of the
>>> negativity and reach out to people when we see hate speech being 
>>> spoken about
>>> on online platforms. Our media analysis, our social media analysis 
>>> unit, has
>>> ramped up its monitoring of sites to catch incitement to violence; 
>>> direct
>>> threats to others, and all this is in response to our desire, our strong
>>> commitment, to ensure that not only do New Yorkers be safe, but they 
>>> also feel
>>> safe because personal security is about everything for them."
>>>
>>> [What the hell is the gobbledygook in that last sentence? "Not only 
>>> do New
>>> Yorkers be safe"? "They also feel safe because personal security is 
>>> about
>>> everything for them"? Who's writing this crap? Cardi B?]
>>>
>>> Last month, Hochul and New York City Mayor Eric Adams demanded that 
>>> social
>>> media platforms monitor speech and shut down "incitements to 
>>> violence", with
>>> Adams insisting, "These guys are experts. If they don't want to do 
>>> their job
>>> of policing themselves, I really believe it's time for the federal 
>>> government
>>> to step in."
>>>
>>> The calls come as Europe ramps up censorship of alleged hate speech, 
>>> including
>>> pressuring X owner Elon Musk to censor the posts of online users. Many
>>> European nations now have laws that have made the expression of 
>>> religious
>>> beliefs to be viewed as banned speech. This week Finnish Member of 
>>> Parliament
>>> (MP) Päivi Räsänen and a Lutheran bishop were acquitted after four 
>>> years of
>>> trials and investigations simply for sharing the biblical view on 
>>> marriage and
>>> sexuality. And in the U.K., an Army veteran will soon be tried for 
>>> silently
>>> praying for his deceased son outside of an abortion clinic.
>>>
>>> [But notice these European countries  never arrest the Muslims who 
>>> openly call
>>> for the deaths of Jews and Americans.]
>>>
>>> In the U.S., politicians have demanded Internet censorship and have even
>>> engaged in it themselves. For example, the Supreme Court will soon hear
>>> Missouri v. Biden, a case in which the federal government coerced 
>>> social media
>>> platforms to censor content it disagreed with-- even if the content 
>>> was true.
>>>
>>> Jonathan Turley, a constitutional law professor at George Washington
>>> University and free speech advocate who has written extensively on 
>>> the issues
>>> of censorship and limitations on speech, has cautioned the U.S. against
>>> adopting European censorship laws that allow governments to stop 
>>> people from
>>> saying things that governments oppose. Despite what many think, "hate 
>>> speech",
>>> which is subjective, is protected both by the Constitution and by 
>>> Supreme
>>> Court precedent.
>>>
>>> He wrote:
>>>
>>> "There have been calls to ban hate speech for years. Even former 
>>> journalist
>>> and Obama State Department official Richard Stengel has insisted that 
>>> while
>>> "the 1st Amendment protects 'the thought that we hate'... it should not
>>> protect hateful speech that can cause violence by one group against 
>>> another.
>>> In an age when everyone has a megaphone, that seems like a design flaw."
>>>
>>> Actually, it was not a design flaw but the very essence of the 
>>> Framers' plan
>>> for a free society.
>>>
>>> The 1st Amendment does not distinguish between types of speech, clearly
>>> stating: 'Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of 
>>> religion,
>>> or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of 
>>> speech,
>>> or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, 
>>> and to
>>> petition the government for a redress of grievances.'"
>>>
>>> He cited Brandenburg v. Ohio, a 1969 case involving "violent speech", 
>>> wherein
>>> the Supreme Court struck down an Ohio law prohibiting public speech 
>>> that was
>>> deemed as promoting illegal conduct, specifically ruling for the 
>>> right of the
>>> Ku Klux Klan to speak out, even though it is a hateful organization."
>>>
>>> That ruling led to National Socialist Party of America v. Village of 
>>> Skokie in
>>> 1977, where the Court unanimously ruled that the city government 
>>> could not
>>> constitutionally deny a permit for the American Nazi Party to hold a 
>>> march in
>>> the city streets, even in a city populated heavily by Holocaust 
>>> survivors.
>>>
>>> Turley also noted that in the 2011 case of RAV v. City of St. Paul, 
>>> the Court
>>> struck down a ban on any symbol that 'arouses anger, alarm or 
>>> resentment in
>>> others on the basis of race, color, creed, religion or gender, and in 
>>> Snyder
>>> v. Phelps, also in 2011, the Court said that "the hateful protests of 
>>> Westboro
>>> Baptist Church were protected".
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.standingforfreedom.com/2023/11/new-york-announces-it-will-take-citizen-surveillance-and-censorship-to-the-next-level/?twclid=2-6oshw3g6bxsmwqt160vrgne5i 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Jonathan Turley?  Do better.  You're a better lawyer than Jonathan 
>> Turley... and what does that say?
> 
> 
> Hey, Turley's a "Constitutional scholar." I didn't even know Russia had 
> a Constitution.
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