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Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!i2pn.org!i2pn2.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? Date: Thu, 2 May 2024 21:48:47 -0400 Organization: i2pn2 (i2pn.org) Message-ID: <v11fpv$2tlr1$2@i2pn2.org> References: <v0k4jc$laej$1@dont-email.me> <v0l11u$ussl$1@dont-email.me> <v0lh24$123q3$1@dont-email.me> <v0lic7$2g492$3@i2pn2.org> <v0lkas$12q0o$3@dont-email.me> <v0loq2$2g493$1@i2pn2.org> <v0lq7d$14579$2@dont-email.me> <v0ls98$2g492$7@i2pn2.org> <v0m29q$166o1$1@dont-email.me> <v0m37e$2gl1e$1@i2pn2.org> <v0m3v5$16k3h$1@dont-email.me> <v0m55t$2gl1f$3@i2pn2.org> <v0m5sn$172p4$1@dont-email.me> <v0o87n$1p7s5$1@dont-email.me> <v0oab4$1pbn5$3@dont-email.me> <v0qh21$2df66$1@dont-email.me> <v0r40q$2hb7o$5@dont-email.me> <v0t3aa$33g49$1@dont-email.me> <v0todh$3881i$2@dont-email.me> <v0ummt$2qov3$2@i2pn2.org> <v0v4cq$3l29l$9@dont-email.me> <v0vru4$2s5vs$1@i2pn2.org> <v10n2l$ese$3@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Fri, 3 May 2024 01:48:47 -0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: i2pn2.org; logging-data="3069793"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@i2pn2.org"; posting-account="diqKR1lalukngNWEqoq9/uFtbkm5U+w3w6FQ0yesrXg"; User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.0 Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <v10n2l$ese$3@dont-email.me> Bytes: 2644 Lines: 34 On 5/2/24 2:46 PM, olcott wrote: > On 5/2/2024 6:03 AM, Richard Damon wrote: >> On 5/2/24 12:21 AM, olcott wrote: >>> On 5/1/2024 7:28 PM, Richard Damon wrote: >>>> On 5/1/24 11:51 AM, olcott wrote: >>>>> Every D simulated by H that cannot possibly stop running unless >>>>> aborted by H does specify non-terminating behavior to H. When >>>>> H aborts this simulation that does not count as D halting. >>>> >>>> Which is just meaningless gobbledygook by your definitions. >>>> >>>> It means that >>>> >>>> int H(ptr m, ptr d) { >>>> return 0; >>>> } >>>> >>> >>> Your H is not simulating D at all thus not >>> "Every D simulated by H" quoted above >> >> Yes it is, it is just aborting the simulation before it started. >> > > D is never simulated by H is not the same as D is simulated by H. > D is simulated by H entails that 1 to N steps are simulated and > then the simulation is aborted or the simulation is never aborted. > > Then simulate EXACTLY 1 step and abort. It makes all but the most trivial programs "non-halting." Again, a TOY.,