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Path: ...!news.mixmin.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? Date: Fri, 3 May 2024 07:36:55 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 74 Message-ID: <v12lp7$hk7o$6@dont-email.me> References: <v0k4jc$laej$1@dont-email.me> <v0lh24$123q3$1@dont-email.me> <v0lic7$2g492$3@i2pn2.org> <v0lkas$12q0o$3@dont-email.me> <v0loq2$2g493$1@i2pn2.org> <v0lq7d$14579$2@dont-email.me> <v0ls98$2g492$7@i2pn2.org> <v0m29q$166o1$1@dont-email.me> <v0m37e$2gl1e$1@i2pn2.org> <v0m3v5$16k3h$1@dont-email.me> <v0m55t$2gl1f$3@i2pn2.org> <v0m5sn$172p4$1@dont-email.me> <v0oban$1o3b$1@news.muc.de> <v0oce3$1q3aq$4@dont-email.me> <v0oe1b$1o3b$2@news.muc.de> <v0ofl3$1r1mf$1@dont-email.me> <v0oh7g$1o3b$3@news.muc.de> <v0olhv$1sgeo$1@dont-email.me> <v0oobd$1o3b$4@news.muc.de> <v0or07$1tmga$1@dont-email.me> <v0qb59$2bsfc$1@dont-email.me> <v0r242$2hb7o$1@dont-email.me> <v0r3kh$hka$1@news.muc.de> <v0r5f2$2hb7o$11@dont-email.me> <v0r78v$hka$3@news.muc.de> <v0rd16$2k1bi$1@dont-email.me> <v0t3uj$1iuj$2@news.muc.de> <v0tneg$37lgj$5@dont-email.me> <v0umsa$2qov3$3@i2pn2.org> <v0v0tm$3kdu6$5@dont-email.me> <v0vlmb$3ovek$1@dont-email.me> <v1098d$3tep8$2@dont-email.me> <v11fq3$2tlr1$5@i2pn2.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Fri, 03 May 2024 14:36:56 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="42a0fc3cdc0841239d3b757772d0e924"; logging-data="577784"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18htYRJS4hPzMzW7ZEkr2ox" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:gkWvP97Xm9AFL3up73RQhO0P0Fo= In-Reply-To: <v11fq3$2tlr1$5@i2pn2.org> Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 4471 On 5/2/2024 8:48 PM, Richard Damon wrote: > On 5/2/24 10:50 AM, olcott wrote: >> On 5/2/2024 4:16 AM, Mikko wrote: >>> On 2024-05-02 03:22:29 +0000, olcott said: >>> >>>> When I had to make changes to Bank's the VISA credit card system >>>> I had to re-read the VISA change document fifteen times before >>>> I was confident that I understood every relevant detail. >>> >>> It's only because there was no detail that you could not accept. >>> Had there been one you could have stopped reading as soon you >>> found it, perhaps even before reading first time to the end. >>> >> >> It was because 99% of the details did not apply to my system >> that I had to carefully study all of the details to see which >> ones applied. > > Because your system doesn't meet the basic requirement of the problem. > >> >>> Likewise with your proofs: as soon as one error is found there >>> is no need to read further in order to determine that the proof >>> is erroneous. >>> >> >> There is no error in this and it is a verified fact not requiring >> any subjective judgement call: >> >> (a) It is a verified fact that D(D) simulated by H cannot >> possibly reach past line 03 of D(D) simulated by H whether H >> aborts its simulation or not. >> > > Proven wrong, and you have FAILED to even attempt to rebut that proof, > thus you have accepted that your claim is baseless and are just being a > pathological liar by repeating it. > 00 int H(ptr x, ptr x) // ptr is pointer to int function 01 int D(ptr x) 02 { 03 int Halt_Status = H(x, x); 04 if (Halt_Status) 05 HERE: goto HERE; 06 return Halt_Status; 07 } 08 09 void main() 10 { 11 H(D,D); 12 } Post the exact time date stamp and quote where you proved it wrong. In one case it is ridiculous nonsense that you proved (a) is wrong. You must show a counter example where 1 to N steps of D(D) are simulated by H and the simulated D(D) reaches past its own line 03. You are ahead of Mikko he has no idea what D(D) simulated by H means. > Until you can show a problem with BOTH of the two methods I have > described, your claim is just repeating INVALID and UNSOUND logic base > on your LIES. You mix in to much extraneous stuff. I am not going to wade through that. As soon as I see you are not talking about (a) I skip the rest of your post. -- Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer