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From: Tom Bola <Tom@bolamail.etc>
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Subject: Re: because =?utf-8?Q?g=E2=A4=A8(g=E2=81=BB=C2=B9(x))?= = g(y) [1/2] Re: how
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Am 03.05.2024 11:07:00 Jim Burns schrieb:

> On 5/2/2024 2:49 PM, Tom Bola wrote:
>> Am 02.05.2024 20:00:50 Jim Burns schrieb:
> 
>>> WM will say that
>>> ω is the first infiniteᵂᴹ ordinal,
>>> but he does NOT mean that
>>> ω is the first infiniteⁿᵒᵗᐧᵂᴹ ordinal.
>>
>> WM rejects the idea that
>> there is "actual infinity" which
>> is realized in nature
> 
> WM rejects
> ∀j:∃k≠j: j<k
> ⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯
> ¬∃k:∀j≠k: j<k
> 
> If I recall correctly, the reason he's given is
> actual infinity or potential infinity
> but
> that only flies if "infinite" means
> "more than one"
> 
>> and WM rejects it also
>> in the any mental space because
>> it is "wrong logic" and idiocy
>> (but he tends to "allow" for
>> the idea of "potential infinity").
> 
> It seems to me that
> there is less going on there,
> going on either correctly or incorrectly,
> than there appears to be at first.
> 
> WM call various things
> "actually infinite" and "potentially.infinite".
> What does he mean by those terms?
> NOT "What does Cantor mean? Euclid mean?"
> 
> WM alters definitions to whatever suits him.

That's one of the worst point of WMs idiocy.

> What others mean is no more than
> a suggestion, a guess about what he means.

Yes, for him: what he (clearly logically) "sees".
 
> I look at how things get labelled.
> "Actual infinity" is used to disagree with
> the mathematical.industrial.complex.
> "Potential infinity" is used to agree with
> the mathematical.industrial.complex.
> And that's the whole of it.
> 
>| ∀j:∃k≠j: j<k
>| ⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯⎯
>| ¬∃k:∀j≠k: j<k
>|
> denies darkᵂᴹ numbers
> Therefore,
> "something something actual infinity".
> Oh! We matheologians are so silly.
> Wolfgang Mückenheim wins again.
> 
> But
> there is nothing about infinity of any kind
> in the derivation.
> WM doesn't care.
> He has his two permission slips, which
> excuse him from thinking about any of this.
> 
>> WMs philosophy is like ultrafinitistic
>> while he is too dense for any mathematic thinking
>> which he lacks to basically understand altogether)...
> 
> I have a strong suspicion that
> WM's philosophies are
> roll.over.and.go.back.to.sleep  and
> under.no.circumstances.bother.me.with.that.
> 
> I have trouble accepting that
> WM is literally unable to follow this,
> but
> I can imagine that,
> after 30+ years of shielding his ignorance,
> he is unwilling to get rid of it.

He never, never was willing - on the contrary is that 
another main issue of how his (random) thinking works.
 
> If he weren't actively working to propagate
> his ignorance, I'd be more.than.half inclined
> to let him sleep.

It doesn't make much of a difference in this strange world... ;)