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Path: ...!2.eu.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> Newsgroups: comp.theory,sci.logic Subject: Re: D(D) simulated by H cannot possibly reach past its own line 03 Date: Fri, 3 May 2024 18:55:54 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 69 Message-ID: <v13tia$qers$1@dont-email.me> References: <v12pgu$im12$1@dont-email.me> <v13p9h$phf4$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Sat, 04 May 2024 01:55:55 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="2d5b94937ab75d91202558453b5391e6"; logging-data="867196"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19cjA4rFlnWHcd0SsPojw4U" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:7DAiemfz3DXTQfIevklNi5qoBnM= In-Reply-To: <v13p9h$phf4$1@dont-email.me> Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 3354 On 5/3/2024 5:42 PM, olcott wrote: > On 5/3/2024 8:40 AM, olcott wrote: >> 00 int H(ptr x, ptr x) // ptr is pointer to int function >> 01 int D(ptr x) >> 02 { >> 03 int Halt_Status = H(x, x); >> 04 if (Halt_Status) >> 05 HERE: goto HERE; >> 06 return Halt_Status; >> 07 } >> 08 >> 09 void main() >> 10 { >> 11 H(D,D); >> 12 } >> >> We are examining the behavior of D(D) for every possible H/D pair >> where 1 to N steps of D(D) are simulated by H. >> >> *Execution Trace* >> Line 11: main() invokes H(D,D) that simulates D(D) >> >> *keeps repeating* (unless aborted) >> Line 01 >> Line 02 >> Line 03: simulated D(D) invokes simulated H(D,D) that simulates D(D) >> >> *Simulation invariant* >> D correctly simulated by H cannot possibly reach past its own line 03. >> >> (a) It is a verified fact that for every possible H/D pair where >> 1 to N steps of D(D) are simulated by H that this simulated D(D) >> cannot possibly reach past its own line 03. > > Since everyone is denying these facts on the basis that no one > here has a clue about what execution traces are and how they work > it makes no sense to go to the next step. > The next step depends on this prior step and is trivially entailed by this prior step. When each D simulated by H of the infinite set of H/D pairs cannot possibly reach past its own line 03 then it cannot possibly reach its own line 06 and halt. There is one more software engineering step that depends on the above steps and is trivially entailed by the above step. After this last software engineering step we begin to get into the computer science steps. >> >> (b) Rebuttals must show a counter example where 1 to N steps >> of D(D) are simulated by H and the simulated D(D) reaches past >> its own line 03. >> >> *Termination Analyzer H is Not Fooled by Pathological Input D* >> https://www.researchgate.net/publication/369971402_Termination_Analyzer_H_is_Not_Fooled_by_Pathological_Input_D >> >> *Fully operational code implemented in the x86utm operating system* >> https://github.com/plolcott/x86utm >> >> >> > -- Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer