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From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: D simulated by H never halts no matter what H does V3 ---
Date: Sat, 4 May 2024 17:08:47 -0500
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On 5/4/2024 4:43 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
> On 5/4/24 5:18 PM, olcott wrote:
>> On 5/4/2024 3:40 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>> On 5/4/24 2:46 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>> On 5/4/2024 12:15 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>> On 5/4/24 12:31 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>> On 5/4/2024 10:52 AM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>>> On 5/4/24 10:48 AM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 5/4/2024 9:39 AM, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
>>>>>>>>> olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 5/4/2024 5:56 AM, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> [ Followup-To: set ]
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> In comp.theory olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> [ .... ]
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> You are doing better than Alan on this though he doesn't
>>>>>>>>>>>> have a single clue about what execution traces are or how
>>>>>>>>>>>> they work.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> You should read "How to make friends and influence people" by 
>>>>>>>>>>> Dale
>>>>>>>>>>> Carnegie.  You may not care about the former, but you sure 
>>>>>>>>>>> are trying
>>>>>>>>>>> the latter.  Hint: telling nasty lies about people is not 
>>>>>>>>>>> effective.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The alternative of disparaging my work without even looking at
>>>>>>>>>> it is far worse because it meets the
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> https://dictionary.findlaw.com/definition/reckless-disregard-of-the-truth.html
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> required for libel and defamation cases.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> No.  There have got to be limits on what one spends ones time 
>>>>>>>>> on. You
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> None-the-less saying that I <am> wrong without looking at what
>>>>>>>> I said <is> defamatory. Saying that you believe that I am wrong
>>>>>>>> on the basis that I do not seem to have credibility is not 
>>>>>>>> defamatory.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> have been maintaining false things over the years to such a 
>>>>>>>>> degree that
>>>>>>>>> it would be a waste of time suddenly to expect brilliant 
>>>>>>>>> insights from
>>>>>>>>> you.  For example, you insist that robustly proven mathematical 
>>>>>>>>> theorems
>>>>>>>>> are false, and your "reasoning" hardly merits the word.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Can D correctly simulated by H terminate normally?
>>>>>>>> 00 int H(ptr x, ptr x)  // ptr is pointer to int function
>>>>>>>> 01 int D(ptr x)
>>>>>>>> 02 {
>>>>>>>> 03   int Halt_Status = H(x, x);
>>>>>>>> 04   if (Halt_Status)
>>>>>>>> 05     HERE: goto HERE;
>>>>>>>> 06   return Halt_Status;
>>>>>>>> 07 }
>>>>>>>> 08
>>>>>>>> 09 void main()
>>>>>>>> 10 {
>>>>>>>> 11   H(D,D);
>>>>>>>> 12 }
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Execution Trace
>>>>>>>> Line 11: main() invokes H(D,D);
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> keeps repeating (unless aborted)
>>>>>>>> Line 03: simulated D(D) invokes simulated H(D,D) that simulates 
>>>>>>>> D(D)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Simulation invariant:
>>>>>>>> D correctly simulated by H cannot possibly reach past its own 
>>>>>>>> line 03.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yet saying that the above is false <is> defamatory because anyone
>>>>>>>> with ordinary skill in the art of C programming can determine that
>>>>>>>> it is true by verifying that the execution trace is correct.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> When you say it is false by either not verifying that the execution
>>>>>>>> trace is correct or not knowing what execution traces are <is>
>>>>>>>> defamatory.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But it HAS been proven incorrect and YOU are the one disregarding 
>>>>>>> the evidence.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I guess I could file defamatory claims against you.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It may be the case that you did bury another rebuttal in all of
>>>>>> your rhetoric and ad hominem attacks that were vigorously attempting
>>>>>> to get away with the strawman deception change the subject 
>>>>>> "rebuttal".
>>>>>
>>>>> But very close to my first part of the reply I indicated that there 
>>>>> WAS a detailed description of this at the end, and you replied to 
>>>>> that mention, saying that since your statement was categorically 
>>>>> true it would be easy to refute, and then you just didn't do so.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If you post the time/date stamp I will carefully examine it.
>>>> Until you do that it seems safe to assume that it was only
>>>> the same ruse as this.
>>>>
>>>> On 5/1/2024 7:28 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>  > On 5/1/24 11:51 AM, olcott wrote:
>>>>  >> *I HAVE SAID THIS AT LEAST 10,000 TIMES NOW*
>>>>  >> Every D simulated by H that cannot possibly stop running unless
>>>>  >> aborted by H does specify non-terminating behavior to H. When
>>>>  >> H aborts this simulation that does not count as D halting.
>>>>  >
>>>>  > Which is just meaningless gobbledygook by your definitions.
>>>>  >
>>>>  > It means that
>>>>  >
>>>>  > int H(ptr m, ptr d) {
>>>>  >     return 0;
>>>>  > }
>>>>  >
>>>>  > is always correct, because THAT H can not possible simulate
>>>>  > the input to the end before it aborts it, and that H is all
>>>>  > that that H can be, or it isn't THAT H.
>>>>
>>>> *Every D NEVER simulated by H* (as shown above)
>>>> is definitely not *Every D simulated by H* (also shown above)
>>>>
>>>>> So. I guess you ADHD made you forget what you were talking about 
>>>>> and made yourself just into a liar.
>>>>>
>>>>> YOU choosing to ignore it, just shows that you are not really 
>>>>> interested in an actual honest dialog.
>>>>>
>>>>> I guess it doesn't matter to you what is actually true, as you are 
>>>>> going to just assume what you want.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A reasonable person cannot be reasonably expected to wade through
>>>>>> all of that especially when one of these "rebuttals" interpreted
>>>>>> *D is simulated by H* to mean *D is NEVER simulated by H*
>>>>>
>>>>> But that isn't what distracted you in that message.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 5/1/2024 7:28 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>>  >> *Every D simulated by H* that cannot possibly stop running unless
>>>>>>  >> aborted by H does specify non-terminating behavior to H. When
>>>>>>  >> H aborts this simulation that does not count as D halting.
>>>>>>  >
>>>>>>  > Which is just meaningless gobbledygook by your definitions.
>>>>>>  >
>>>>>>  > It means that
>>>>>>  >
>>>>>>  > int H(ptr m, ptr d) {
>>>>>>  >     return 0;
>>>>>>  > }
>>>>>>  >
>>>>>>  > is always correct, because THAT H can not possible simulate
>>>>>>  > the input to the end before it aborts it, and that H is all
>>>>>>  > that that H can be, or it isn't THAT H.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> One shows a reckless-disregard-of-the-truth when they "interpret"
>>>>>> *D is simulated by H*
>>>>>>    to mean
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