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From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: D simulated by H never halts no matter what H does V3 ---
Date: Sat, 4 May 2024 18:01:42 -0500
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On 5/4/2024 5:36 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
> On 5/4/24 6:08 PM, olcott wrote:
>> On 5/4/2024 4:43 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>> On 5/4/24 5:18 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>> On 5/4/2024 3:40 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>> On 5/4/24 2:46 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>> On 5/4/2024 12:15 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>>> On 5/4/24 12:31 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 5/4/2024 10:52 AM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 5/4/24 10:48 AM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 5/4/2024 9:39 AM, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/4/2024 5:56 AM, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> [ Followup-To: set ]
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> In comp.theory olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> [ .... ]
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You are doing better than Alan on this though he doesn't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have a single clue about what execution traces are or how
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they work.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> You should read "How to make friends and influence people" 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> by Dale
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Carnegie.  You may not care about the former, but you sure 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> are trying
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the latter.  Hint: telling nasty lies about people is not 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> effective.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The alternative of disparaging my work without even looking at
>>>>>>>>>>>> it is far worse because it meets the
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://dictionary.findlaw.com/definition/reckless-disregard-of-the-truth.html
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> required for libel and defamation cases.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> No.  There have got to be limits on what one spends ones time 
>>>>>>>>>>> on. You
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> None-the-less saying that I <am> wrong without looking at what
>>>>>>>>>> I said <is> defamatory. Saying that you believe that I am wrong
>>>>>>>>>> on the basis that I do not seem to have credibility is not 
>>>>>>>>>> defamatory.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> have been maintaining false things over the years to such a 
>>>>>>>>>>> degree that
>>>>>>>>>>> it would be a waste of time suddenly to expect brilliant 
>>>>>>>>>>> insights from
>>>>>>>>>>> you.  For example, you insist that robustly proven 
>>>>>>>>>>> mathematical theorems
>>>>>>>>>>> are false, and your "reasoning" hardly merits the word.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Can D correctly simulated by H terminate normally?
>>>>>>>>>> 00 int H(ptr x, ptr x)  // ptr is pointer to int function
>>>>>>>>>> 01 int D(ptr x)
>>>>>>>>>> 02 {
>>>>>>>>>> 03   int Halt_Status = H(x, x);
>>>>>>>>>> 04   if (Halt_Status)
>>>>>>>>>> 05     HERE: goto HERE;
>>>>>>>>>> 06   return Halt_Status;
>>>>>>>>>> 07 }
>>>>>>>>>> 08
>>>>>>>>>> 09 void main()
>>>>>>>>>> 10 {
>>>>>>>>>> 11   H(D,D);
>>>>>>>>>> 12 }
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Execution Trace
>>>>>>>>>> Line 11: main() invokes H(D,D);
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> keeps repeating (unless aborted)
>>>>>>>>>> Line 03: simulated D(D) invokes simulated H(D,D) that 
>>>>>>>>>> simulates D(D)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Simulation invariant:
>>>>>>>>>> D correctly simulated by H cannot possibly reach past its own 
>>>>>>>>>> line 03.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Yet saying that the above is false <is> defamatory because anyone
>>>>>>>>>> with ordinary skill in the art of C programming can determine 
>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>> it is true by verifying that the execution trace is correct.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> When you say it is false by either not verifying that the 
>>>>>>>>>> execution
>>>>>>>>>> trace is correct or not knowing what execution traces are <is>
>>>>>>>>>> defamatory.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> But it HAS been proven incorrect and YOU are the one 
>>>>>>>>> disregarding the evidence.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I guess I could file defamatory claims against you.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It may be the case that you did bury another rebuttal in all of
>>>>>>>> your rhetoric and ad hominem attacks that were vigorously 
>>>>>>>> attempting
>>>>>>>> to get away with the strawman deception change the subject 
>>>>>>>> "rebuttal".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But very close to my first part of the reply I indicated that 
>>>>>>> there WAS a detailed description of this at the end, and you 
>>>>>>> replied to that mention, saying that since your statement was 
>>>>>>> categorically true it would be easy to refute, and then you just 
>>>>>>> didn't do so.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you post the time/date stamp I will carefully examine it.
>>>>>> Until you do that it seems safe to assume that it was only
>>>>>> the same ruse as this.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 5/1/2024 7:28 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>>  > On 5/1/24 11:51 AM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>  >> *I HAVE SAID THIS AT LEAST 10,000 TIMES NOW*
>>>>>>  >> Every D simulated by H that cannot possibly stop running unless
>>>>>>  >> aborted by H does specify non-terminating behavior to H. When
>>>>>>  >> H aborts this simulation that does not count as D halting.
>>>>>>  >
>>>>>>  > Which is just meaningless gobbledygook by your definitions.
>>>>>>  >
>>>>>>  > It means that
>>>>>>  >
>>>>>>  > int H(ptr m, ptr d) {
>>>>>>  >     return 0;
>>>>>>  > }
>>>>>>  >
>>>>>>  > is always correct, because THAT H can not possible simulate
>>>>>>  > the input to the end before it aborts it, and that H is all
>>>>>>  > that that H can be, or it isn't THAT H.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Every D NEVER simulated by H* (as shown above)
>>>>>> is definitely not *Every D simulated by H* (also shown above)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So. I guess you ADHD made you forget what you were talking about 
>>>>>>> and made yourself just into a liar.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> YOU choosing to ignore it, just shows that you are not really 
>>>>>>> interested in an actual honest dialog.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I guess it doesn't matter to you what is actually true, as you 
>>>>>>> are going to just assume what you want.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> A reasonable person cannot be reasonably expected to wade through
>>>>>>>> all of that especially when one of these "rebuttals" interpreted
>>>>>>>> *D is simulated by H* to mean *D is NEVER simulated by H*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But that isn't what distracted you in that message.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 5/1/2024 7:28 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>>>>  >> *Every D simulated by H* that cannot possibly stop running 
>>>>>>>> unless
>>>>>>>>  >> aborted by H does specify non-terminating behavior to H. When
>>>>>>>>  >> H aborts this simulation that does not count as D halting.
>>>>>>>>  >
>>>>>>>>  > Which is just meaningless gobbledygook by your definitions.
>>>>>>>>  >
>>>>>>>>  > It means that
>>>>>>>>  >
>>>>>>>>  > int H(ptr m, ptr d) {
>>>>>>>>  >     return 0;
>>>>>>>>  > }
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