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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> Newsgroups: comp.arch Subject: Re: Address space limits Date: Sat, 4 May 2024 20:25:14 -0700 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 30 Message-ID: <v16u6q$1lbg7$1@dont-email.me> References: <v0s17o$2okf4$2@dont-email.me> <62dff0b888855a31ec10c0597669423f@www.novabbs.org> <v0soai$30rmc$3@dont-email.me> <f2ac45ffe1718a0b0070f027f0e5f58c@www.novabbs.org> <20240501225652.00002853@yahoo.com> <jwvh6fhnuzu.fsf-monnier+comp.arch@gnu.org> <v0uppp$3fitf$2@dont-email.me> <v1521l$15g68$1@dont-email.me> <v16b3u$1dm6l$2@dont-email.me> <9e81a0aa95b5eae7ae6fc9f99455df97@www.novabbs.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Sun, 05 May 2024 05:25:15 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="4cb66168bb732a9923ed8af7e043800c"; logging-data="1748487"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+1tZ4psKj3wi3Af8c+nZbAnBQv3G8jHP4=" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:snGvdB8ufJh6ySodP0B8N8gBA4A= Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <9e81a0aa95b5eae7ae6fc9f99455df97@www.novabbs.org> Bytes: 2798 On 5/4/2024 5:12 PM, MitchAlsup1 wrote: > Chris M. Thomasson wrote: > >> On 5/4/2024 3:18 AM, Thomas Koenig wrote: >>> Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> schrieb: >>> >>>> Intel pushed this thing called the “x32” ABI into the Linux kernel > (and >>>> possibly some other places) some years ago. This was using the AMD64 >>>> instruction set, but with only 32-bit pointers. This way, you got the >>>> benefit of the extra registers, without the overhead of the longer >>>> addresses. >>> >>> That was Donald Knuth's idea. > >> Storing meta data in actual pointers, aka aligned on a larger >> boundary, is critical to many advanced lock/wait free algorithms as >> well. I remember storing an actual reference count in pointers before >> for a special type of counting. > > Even if one has multi-location ATOMICs ?? (as a single event ??) This was a technique for storing data in a pointer. For instance, strong atomic reference counting we need to update a pointer _and_ a reference together atomically. This can easily be done with DWCAS, or double width compare and swap. So, on a 32 bit system we need 64 bit cas, for a 64 bit system we need 128 bit cas. However, sometimes we can pack the reference count in the pointer value itself if its aligned on a big enough boundary. Then we can update the pointer and the reference count using normal word based atomic RMW's.