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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> Newsgroups: comp.theory,sci.logic Subject: Re: D simulated by H never halts no matter what H does V3 --- Date: Sun, 5 May 2024 15:34:03 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 55 Message-ID: <v18qfr$2255h$1@dont-email.me> References: <uvq0sg$21m7a$1@dont-email.me> <v13mk5$30j8v$1@i2pn2.org> <v149ir$10h7m$1@dont-email.me> <v1549m$2783$1@news.muc.de> <v15fc9$17unh$6@dont-email.me> <v15hat$94v$1@news.muc.de> <v15hsc$17unh$8@dont-email.me> <v15lk0$1qp4$2@i2pn2.org> <v15nta$19ip0$1@dont-email.me> <v15qg3$1qp4$6@i2pn2.org> <v15vqo$1bfmh$1@dont-email.me> <v166fj$2oq7$1@i2pn2.org> <v168mo$1df60$1@dont-email.me> <v16a6g$2oq7$2@i2pn2.org> <v16blg$1e52t$1@dont-email.me> <v16d93$2oq8$1@i2pn2.org> <v16eon$1eq05$1@dont-email.me> <v16gir$2oq8$2@i2pn2.org> <v16hln$1f7fm$1@dont-email.me> <v16ikg$2oq7$3@i2pn2.org> <v16jd1$1fk82$1@dont-email.me> <v16kou$2oq8$3@i2pn2.org> <v16l3c$1ftgf$1@dont-email.me> <v16m1a$2oq8$4@i2pn2.org> <v16nfc$1gasi$1@dont-email.me> <v16s30$2oq7$4@i2pn2.org> <v16tp4$1l8ug$1@dont-email.me> <v17ng9$1qb0a$2@dont-email.me> <v1855s$1t4hn$3@dont-email.me> <v18crf$5asr$1@i2pn2.org> <v18f6o$1vhpv$1@dont-email.me> <v18h4c$5asr$6@i2pn2.org> <v18jd6$20gbj$2@dont-email.me> <v18nnu$5asq$6@i2pn2.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Sun, 05 May 2024 22:34:03 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="541e9246f979204e7e622a92e4a7a032"; logging-data="2167985"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX196VO0QpPQZAHwYjYZWgT+d" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:qOI10+Bdf6M9s9bbVFz9x8U8QWo= Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <v18nnu$5asq$6@i2pn2.org> Bytes: 3890 On 5/5/2024 2:47 PM, Richard Damon wrote: > Since you haven't, I guess you are just admitting you don't have a > response to my post. > I have quite a few times now. > On 5/5/24 2:33 PM, olcott wrote: >> I am only responding to my new post >> [Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H] >> >> On 5/5/2024 12:54 PM, Richard Damon wrote: >>> On 5/5/24 1:21 PM, olcott wrote: >>>> On 5/5/2024 11:41 AM, Richard Damon wrote: >>>>> On 5/5/24 10:30 AM, olcott wrote: >>>>>> On 5/5/2024 5:36 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>> Those N steps were simulated correctly, but the fact that it >>>>>>> stops after N steps make it an incorrect simulation. >>>>>> >>>>>> In other words a decider is wrong unless it never >>>>>> stops simulating an non-halting input? >>>>> >>>>> No, the decider is wrong if it gives the wrong answer. >>>>> >>>>> Now, if to determine the correct answer requires simulating more, >>>>> then it needs to simulate more. >>>>> >>>>> If to determine the correct answer requires simulating to the end, >>>>> it needs to simulate to the end, even if that takes forever. >>>>> >>>>> If it needs to simulate forever, but also needs to answer in finite >>>>> time, then the method has just been shown not to meet the >>>>> requirements. >>>>> >>>> >>>> Bullshit. Try and show any detail that it incorrect >>>> with the conclusion of my new post: >>>> [Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H] >>> >>> I did and you ignored it turning you into a LIAR by restating it. >>> >>> You even elsewhere said you were going to refute it, but never did. >>> >>> All you are doing is showing that you don't care about truth, but >>> just want to push your lies. >>> >>> >> > -- Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer