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From: RonO <rokimoto@cox.net>
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Subject: Re: Hossenfelder and pseudoskeptics
Date: Mon, 6 May 2024 18:17:50 -0500
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On 5/5/2024 11:39 PM, jillery wrote:
> The following link is to an 8-minute Youtube video of Sabine
> Hossenfelder expressing her concerns about flat-earthers aka
> flearthers:
> 
> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TW6hgOc3wuI>
> ************************************
> @1:04
> But it's not just a matter of misunderstanding. If you believe that
> the Earth is flat you also have to believe in a global conspiracy
> that's hiding the truth for no particular reason.
> 
> @3:04
> To me flat earthers are the first symptom of a much bigger problem.
> They show us what happens when people realize they can't understand
> modern science, don't trust scientists, and therefore throw out even
> the most basic scientific knowledge on the rationale of skepticism.
> *************************************
> 
> The above is similar to my concerns about pseudoskeptics generally,
> while Sabine excuses those who don't do science themselves:
> 
> **********************************
> @3:23
> Flat earthers are somewhat extreme in that they're actually throwing
> out evidence that they could test themselves if they weren't so bad at
> science. But the underlying problem is much deeper because in most of
> modern science the average person can't test evidence for themselves.
> **********************************
> 
> While I agree doing "modern science" is beyond the financial and
> logistical resources of the average person, I disagree that's an
> appropriate test.  Just as people don't need to be an automotive
> engineer to understand and appreciate the merits of good automotive
> design, they also don't need to be professional scientists in order to
> understand and appreciate the evidence on which scientific theories
> are based.
> 
> When Sabine says she doesn't understand how CRISPR works, I have no
> doubt she doesn't understand every jot and tittle about it any more
> than I do, but she doesn't have to be able to peer review articles
> about CRISPR in order to grok the method's veracity and the basic
> concepts about it.
> 
> My experience is all pseudoskeptics, not just flat-earthers, not just
> scientific pseudoskeptics, but all those who reject material evidence
> and accept made-up facts without question, are symptomatic of a
> failure in education, and equally pose clear and present dangers to
> modern society.
> 
> --
> To know less than we don't know is the nature of most knowledge
> 

https://www.nasa.gov/solar-system/from-a-million-miles-away-nasa-camera-shows-moon-crossing-face-of-earth/

They probably have to think that the moon landings were faked.

https://explorer1.jpl.nasa.gov/galleries/earth-from-space/#gallery-9
https://www.nasa.gov/image-article/apollo-8-earthrise/

Ron Okimoto