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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> Newsgroups: comp.arch Subject: Re: The Design of Design Date: Tue, 7 May 2024 06:54:17 -0000 (UTC) Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 17 Message-ID: <v1cj6p$341o4$2@dont-email.me> References: <v03uh5$gbd5$1@dont-email.me> <868r0xum1h.fsf@linuxsc.com> <v0tvvk$3a4e9$1@dont-email.me> <86edaetv8g.fsf@linuxsc.com> Injection-Date: Tue, 07 May 2024 08:54:17 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="c5c2dcf50d821443b2cfb53eee3f1b14"; logging-data="3278596"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/YR+c41A77ByiGrDqkxBGve9zzGRCXZow=" User-Agent: slrn/1.0.3 (Linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:iFRQCFYC97jzzTHML/daucpf01g= Bytes: 1666 Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> schrieb: > Like I said, I'm not a fan of JCL, not at all, I just > think it wasn't as bad as the commentary in The Design of Design > makes it out to be. I think the point he made is subtly different. The UNIX shells have demonstrated that a command interface is, and should be, a programming language in its own right. JCL has the rudiments of a programming language with its COND parameter (which ties my brain into knots every time I think about it) and the possibility of iteration via submitting new jobs via INTRDR, plus its macro facility (but with global variables only). Viewed through that lens, I can't think of any (serious) programming language that is worse than JCL. Joke languages need not apply.