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From: candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid>
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Subject: Re: Fallout 2 - here we come
Date: Wed, 8 May 2024 04:30:05 -0000 (UTC)
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Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote at 00:53 this Wednesday (GMT):
> On 5/7/2024 12:00 PM, candycanearter07 wrote:
>> Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote at 17:26 this Tuesday (GMT):
>>> On Mon, 06 May 2024 15:12:53 -0400, Mike S. <Mike_S@nowhere.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 06 May 2024 12:49:52 -0400, Spalls Hurgenson
>>>> <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I can endure it... so long as the game keeps drip-feeding me new
>>>>> content on the side. "Skyrim" is a perfect example; it's combat just
>>>>> isn't very exciting... but there's enough other stuff - it's huge map,
>>>>> lots of treasures, different faction quests to explore - that it can
>>>>> (and did!) occupy me for months. But "Diablo"? I tired of that one
>>>>> pretty quickly. Its dungeons all looked the same, half the monsters
>>>>> were just re-colors of creatures I'd already battled on the first few
>>>>> levels but with a few more hitpoints, and the difference between a +5%
>>>>> sword and a +8% sword just wasn't enough to make me care. I played the
>>>>> game through for its story but its extremely difficult for me to go
>>>>> back and replay it.
>>>>
>>>> The better sword is the carrot on the stick that keeps me playing. It
>>>> is the constant improving of my character that I find interesting.
>>>>
>>>>> It's also why I've so little interest these days in multiplayer games;
>>>>> those are all about playing over and over again on the same maps. In
>>>>> the early days, just the idea of being online and messing about with
>>>>> friends was enough to overcome this deficiency, but - thirty years on
>>>>> - even that novelty is gone. Similarly, my opposition to repetition is
>>>>> why remakes and remasters don't excite me. Give me something new, not
>>>>> a game I've already played!
>>>>
>>>> Yeah, I love remakes and remasters. There is a market for these.
>>>> Someone should and will fill it.
>>>>
>>>> I always assumed your tastes would be better served by the indie
>>>> market, but I think you complain about them as well.
>>>
>>> I'm an equal-opportunity whinger! ;-)
>>>
>>> I /love/ Indie publishers. I'm not crazy about their products.
>>>
>>> Indies come up with a lot of interesting ideas. They aren't so tied
>>> down that they're afraid to experiment. Triple-A studios are terrified
>>> of doing releasing anything except a proven product, and
>>> understandably so. When you're risking $100 million USD, you want a
>>> pretty good guarantee of return. So it's up to the Indies to try new
>>> things.
>>>
>>> But there are several problems with this. The most obvious is that -
>>> thanks to their much smaller budgets - Indie games have a lot less
>>> polish. A second problem is Sturgeon's law applies to Indie games too;
>>> they might have a lot of new ideas, but most of those new ideas are
>>> stupid. And the tiny budgets of Indies means that there are /a lot/ of
>>> Indie developers out there, which only amplifies the problem. Crappy
>>> Indie games have inundated the market. Finally Indie games often are
>>> ultra-focused on their new gimmick, to the detriment of the overall
>>> experience (recently released "Exit 8" is a perfect example of this.
>>> It's core gameplay is interesting... in short bursts. But there's not
>>> enough actual game to make it worth the purchase).
>>>
>>> So, yay for Indies! You guys are saving the hobby. But I've usually no
>>> desire to buy or play their games.
>>>
>>> It's the rare mid-tier publishers/developers that I tend to favor
>>> most. They've the budgets to create solid games with just enough
>>> polish and experience that I can overlook the rougher issues, while
>>> still not being scared to take chances with new gameplay mechanics. I
>>> get the necessary novelty without the aggravatingly bad design.
>>>
>>> ;-)
>> 
>> 
>> There have definitely been some solo/unprofessional devs that made
>> fantastic games (dwarf fortress and ss13 comes to mind) (and funny
>> enough i happen to be sorta friends with a dev for both :D) (putnam)
>
> Stardew Valley.


Oh that too.
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