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Path: ...!news.mixmin.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> Newsgroups: comp.arch Subject: Re: The Design of Design Date: Wed, 8 May 2024 09:38:41 -0000 (UTC) Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 23 Message-ID: <v1fh71$3snne$1@dont-email.me> References: <v03uh5$gbd5$1@dont-email.me> <868r0xum1h.fsf@linuxsc.com> <v0tvvk$3a4e9$1@dont-email.me> <86edaetv8g.fsf@linuxsc.com> <v1ch56$33o3t$1@dont-email.me> <%9q_N.50692$P_e7.16088@fx09.iad> <v1dq8i$3d52j$1@dont-email.me> <v1dr1l$3da0b$1@dont-email.me> <v1dud5$3e2c6$1@dont-email.me> Injection-Date: Wed, 08 May 2024 11:38:42 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="0b4a52159ec439f4b647a7b314d6f575"; logging-data="4087534"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX195MypRNaX5xWUDOcuWWDf/w0zEabvexig=" User-Agent: slrn/1.0.3 (Linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:nGugXM1fojvcwYXMBI/flJEC7SQ= Bytes: 1999 Stephen Fuld <SFuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> schrieb: > Thomas Koenig wrote: >> Only the team that made JCL, it seems. > > > Just as an aside, though this thread may be somewhat OT, I consider it > fun and interesting. > > I am not sure exactly what he is saying here. By JCL, does he mean > just the syntax of the language, His main criticism is that the design team failed to notice that JCL was, in fact, a programming language, that the design team thought of it as "just a few cards for job control". This led to attributes such as DISP doing what he called "verbish things", i.e. commands, dependence on card formats, a syntax similar to, but incompatible with, the S/360 assembler, insufficient control structures etc. He did not criticize the OS itself too much, with its complicated allocation stategies etc, mostly some remarks on the file structure which he says could have been simplified.