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From: Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: King Laurin?
Date: Fri, 10 May 2024 05:03:00 -0000 (UTC)
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Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
> On Wed, 8 May 2024 17:56:02 -0000 (UTC), Don <g@crcomp.net> wrote:
> 
>> Paul wrote:
>>> Robert Woodward wrote:
>> 
>> <snip>
>> 
>>>> On the other hand, Roger Bacon lived in the 13th century
>>>> (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Bacon).
>>> 
>>> Yes he did. But he wasn't refurbished as a scientist, according to the
>>> article you cite, until the 19th century. Before that, he was a
>>> philosopher with a pragmatic bent. Also a wizard.
>>> 
>>> He is credited with discovering the importance of empirical testing
>>> when his results differed from Aristotle. I should note that differing
>>> from Aristotle got Galileo in a spot of trouble a few centuries later.
>>> And that Copernicus published his heliocentric system only after he
>>> was safely dead (even the Holy Office can't torture you if you are
>>> dead)
>> 
>> Careful there. Back in the day, England's Holy Office conceivably could
>> continue to carve-up a corpse. For instance, if the torture theatre
>> audience started to become unruly because their entertainment ended too
>> soon.
> 
> The Spanish Inquisition, in its constant search for seizable assets,
> was known to dig up dead "hidden Jews", flog the bones, and confiscate
> the wealth left to the survivors.
> 
> So, yes, the /corpse/ could be violated. But the person was sublimely
> unaffected. Or writhing in flames and so unable to feel anything more.
> Whichever applied.
> 
> And it occurs to me that, if they were in Purgatory (as a Lutheran I
> do not, of course, accept the existence of Purgatory), the additional
> punishment meted out by the Holy Office might knock a few millenia off
> their sentence. And so not be entirely superfluous (as the mother says
> about the next-day's wedding to her daughter in /The Wedding Party/).
> 
>> It was known then as 'Godly butchery' or 'three deaths'. Today, we
>> recognise the gruesome method of execution, /unique to England/,
>> that is seemingly synonymous with the medieval period as being
>> hanged, drawn and quartered.
>> 
>> <https://www.historyextra.com/period/medieval/hanging-drawing-quartering-what-why-treason-disembowelment/>
> 
> IIRC, at one time in England, miscreants were taken on a tour of the
> country, hanged in various places for a while, then taken down before
> they had managed to die from strangulation and then taken on to the
> next favored location. 
> 
> IIRC, /Braveheart/ illustrates "hanging, drawing, quartering" quite
> well at the end. Only the last was fatal.

¡Drawing (removal of intestines and possibly more) wasnt fatal?

Pt